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Where are the female Gorons?

Started by Davros, July 13, 2006, 06:55:02 AM

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IronKnuckle

I think the most logical conclusion is that they look the same to us but they can still tell eachother apart. You know, kinda like insects.

Hi no Seijin

Logical as that is, that's no fun for discussion.
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Potato_King

It could be possible that no female Gorons are simply included in the games. Maybe the Gorons have a culture where females are kept indoors and not considered equal to the males.

I like the theories that the Goron women are indistinguishable from the males to anyone that is not a Goron, and also the asexual reproduction theory. It brings to mind the Galka race from Final Fantasy XI, who towards the end of their life span go on a "journey of rebirth", in which they die and are somehow reborn as a young Galka which retains no memory of its past life, other than where it lived. Now while it is never clearly explain how this would work, I would assume as they near the end of their lives a foetus develops inside of them, indicating their time to go, and when they die the now developed baby crawls out (somehow o.o). Possibly the same could happen with Gorons?

My only gripe with the asexual reproduction theory is that most organisms in our world that reproduce in this way are very simple, like bacteria, amoeba, etc. However, this is the Zelda universe, so who knows what might happen! XD And I'd love to see Nintendo implement the "special rock" theory in a future game.

Commodore Axilon

Quote from: Potato_King on January 17, 2007, 10:20:14 AM
My only gripe with the asexual reproduction theory is that most organisms in our world that reproduce in this way are very simple, like bacteria, amoeba, etc. However, this is the Zelda universe, so who knows what might happen! XD And I'd love to see Nintendo implement the "special rock" theory in a future game.

No. Some plants can reproduce asexually. And there are animals such as sponges, jellyfish, and starfish as well. They might not be complex to you and me, but they're certainly more complex than a simple single-celled organism.

Anyway, back on topic. I like the idea of the Goron females not being equal to males and never being outside of the home. Kind of like Islam. No culture is perfect, they should all have some kind of moral flaw somewhere.

Potato_King

Quote from: Commodore Axilon on January 17, 2007, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: Potato_King on January 17, 2007, 10:20:14 AM
My only gripe with the asexual reproduction theory is that most organisms in our world that reproduce in this way are very simple, like bacteria, amoeba, etc. However, this is the Zelda universe, so who knows what might happen! XD And I'd love to see Nintendo implement the "special rock" theory in a future game.

No. Some plants can reproduce asexually. And there are animals such as sponges, jellyfish, and starfish as well. They might not be complex to you and me, but they're certainly more complex than a simple single-celled organism.

Anyway, back on topic. I like the idea of the Goron females not being equal to males and never being outside of the home. Kind of like Islam. No culture is perfect, they should all have some kind of moral flaw somewhere.

Heh, well technically I did say most, but I couldn't think of anything else at the time. You're right about the plants and starfis and things. Also, apart from Princess Ruto and the Queen in TP, I don't believe there are any clearly indicated Zora females. So maybe their culture is similar in that aspect. Although, we only really see one "town" each of Gorons and Zoras in the games, and I highly doubt they'd managed to survive for such a long time without inbreeding. So maybe there just aren't any females in the places you visit?

Commodore Axilon

Quote from: Potato_King on January 18, 2007, 10:09:40 AM
Heh, well technically I did say most, but I couldn't think of anything else at the time. You're right about the plants and starfis and things. Also, apart from Princess Ruto and the Queen in TP, I don't believe there are any clearly indicated Zora females. So maybe their culture is similar in that aspect. Although, we only really see one "town" each of Gorons and Zoras in the games, and I highly doubt they'd managed to survive for such a long time without inbreeding. So maybe there just aren't any females in the places you visit?

But surely even just one town would have at least one female?

I guess we can just chalk it up to the game designers being lazy though. :)

LadyNintendo

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I'm getting tired of this:

There are more female Zora than those two. For one, we have Lulu, secondly there's Laruto and thirdly, Iza's assistant is clearly stated to be female.

Nintendo is just stupid and lazy for not bothering about making more than one model for every non-humanoid, but making like 40+ for the Hylians/Humans. In OOT, MM, OOA and TP you have to imagine they all look different and that probably 50% is female.

And just because we see only one population doesn't mean there aren't more. Remember ALTTP? It only featured ONE town (and some random shops). However, it is safe to assume there are more towns, especially after the release of FSA. We could also argue there was only a very small population in TLOZ, but TAOL proved there were more than one. Just because the game doesn't show more, doesn't mean there aren't any other populations!

Potato_King

Quote from: LadyNintendo on January 18, 2007, 12:07:51 PM
I'm getting tired of this:

There are more female Zora than those two. For one, we have Lulu, secondly there's Laruto and thirdly, Iza's assistant is clearly stated to be female.

Nintendo is just stupid and lazy for not bothering about making more than one model for every non-humanoid, but making like 40+ for the Hylians/Humans. In OOT, MM, OOA and TP you have to imagine they all look different and that probably 50% is female.

And just because we see only one population doesn't mean there aren't more. Remember ALTTP? It only featured ONE town (and some random shops). However, it is safe to assume there are more towns, especially after the release of FSA. We could also argue there was only a very small population in TLOZ, but TAOL proved there were more than one. Just because the game doesn't show more, doesn't mean there aren't any other populations!

I apologise for missing Lulu and Laruto, only Ruto and the Queen came to my head when typing that point. And it sounds like you're just agreeing with my idea that there are obviously more towns and so on containing other Zoras, so I'm not really sure who you're aiming that post at. :S

And I fully agree, Nintendo should try to make at least a female character model for the other races.

LadyNintendo

Oh, I guess I misinterpreted your post. Sorry!

I guess a bit more individuality for all non-Human/Hylian races would be nice. I mean, MM showed how different sea Zoras can look and TP showed how different Gorons can look. Even subtle differences like the ones from the Rito are okay (they seriously needed more females as well apart from Medli and two references.) As long as they look different.

Another nice thing would be adding children that are not important for the plot. It made the Gorons in TP far more interesting.

Mysterious F.

I actually think an asexual theory for one race sounds nice. It is interesting to have things like that. Also, LadyNintendo, you forgot the small Goron settlement in OOS. TWW has three, but these, in my theory, are just from trading families and decided to stay and trade when the other Gorons left.

Potato_King

Quote from: Kabuto Yakushi on January 18, 2007, 06:03:07 PM
I actually think an asexual theory for one race sounds nice. It is interesting to have things like that. Also, LadyNintendo, you forgot the small Goron settlement in OOS. TWW has three, but these, in my theory, are just from trading families and decided to stay and trade when the other Gorons left.

It would make it more interesting, and it could be a reason why those 3 Gorons stayed, as they knew they could reproduce without the need of a second party. It'd be nice if Nintendo either included some female Gorons in a future game or said they were asexual or something.

Also, I would really like to see more coverage on the Deku race. I found them quite interesting in Majora's Mask, but they are only seen as enemies in Ocarina of Time and non-existant in Twilight Princess.

Harashi

Quote from: LadyNintendo on January 18, 2007, 12:07:51 PM
I'm getting tired of this:

There are more female Zora than those two. For one, we have Lulu, secondly there's Laruto and thirdly, Iza's assistant is clearly stated to be female.

Nintendo is just stupid and lazy for not bothering about making more than one model for every non-humanoid, but making like 40+ for the Hylians/Humans. In OOT, MM, OOA and TP you have to imagine they all look different and that probably 50% is female.

And just because we see only one population doesn't mean there aren't more. Remember ALTTP? It only featured ONE town (and some random shops). However, it is safe to assume there are more towns, especially after the release of FSA. We could also argue there was only a very small population in TLOZ, but TAOL proved there were more than one. Just because the game doesn't show more, doesn't mean there aren't any other populations!

All the zora in TP that aren't soldiers except the prince are female.

LadyNintendo

Quote from: Harashi on January 19, 2007, 05:08:40 PM
All the zora in TP that aren't soldiers except the prince are female.

Says who?

KY > Friendly Deku Scrubs also appeared in FSA, though weren't as interesting as they were in MM. Still, with names like Dekki, Deppi etc. you just got to love them.  :)

Mysterious F.

Potato King, you are very correct, but, because of younger players, they might not be able to, in the games, directly say they are asexual because of younger players. They could announce it in an interview or something.

DW

true...think of the conversations kids would have with their parents after learning about asexual breeding...then they would branch out into everything...it would end up as the 'how do we make babies?' question...
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