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Ganon the Gerudo?

Started by Inferno, June 11, 2006, 12:14:04 AM

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Inferno

Hey guys i'm new to this forums and stumbled upon this site while researching some lore, and wow what a great website!

Anyways i have a fair few theories that i'd like the communities opion on, here goes:

*Note this theory assumes there are multiple Ganons not just one*

We all know that in OOT Ganondorf is Gerudo born and consequently Ganondorf in TWW is also a Gerudo as they are the same guy, but does that mean that Ganon the pig in all the other Zelda games is of Gerudo descent? I think so.

The opening prologue of Alttp states: "One day, quite by accident, a gate to the Golden Land of the Triforce was opened by a gang of thieves skilled in the black arts. This land was like no other. In the gathering twilight, the Triforce shone from its resting place high above the world. In a long running battle, the leader of the thieves fought his way past his followers in lust for the Golden Power"

Thieves skilled in the black arts? sounds Gerudo to me.
If this theory is correct it would also mean that in addition to a single male Gerudo been born every 100 years and becoming 'the king of thieves' then also the Gerudo's are always destined to come into contact with the triforce of power and their Gerudo 'king' (Although not all) is always destined to have it and to become the next Ganon.

I believe that 'Ganon' is not a creature in itself but merely a transformation that is only possible with the triforce of power. Ganon has and always will be a Gerudo king who has manipulated his form using the triforce.

You're probably thinking if Ganon (pig form) is a Gerudo how come we only see the Gerudo tribe is OOT?
I think the answer to that is not only is the Gerudo king able to infuse himself with the power of the triforce but also his people.
In other words not only can Ganon use the triforce of power to manipulate his form but also his followers.
Yes you guessed it the Gerudo tribe are the moblins!
This would explain how Ganon (a former Gerudo) can exist without any evidence of his tribe and it also explains where he suddenly got an army of loyal followers from.
The Alttp manual states that on completing his quest to reach the golden land, Ganon slaughtered his followers, but as we know legends get lost in time and maybe he didn't kill them after all. We also know that anyone greedy enough to enter the golden land is never seen again, but all of a sudden an army of moblins and other creatures comes spewing forth from the twisted realm, where have they come from? Men and women manipulated under Ganon's will?

I think that FSA is the first game that Ganondorf actually exists, however nothing throughout the game mentions the triforce except for some pictures on Hyrule castle etc, which we lead us to believe as this is the early stages of hyrule's history then no-one has the triforce, thus Ganondorf does not have the triforce of power.

I know my theory stated that 'Ganon' was a transformation only possible with the triforce of power, however I believe that the trident may also allow the holder to transform (Will be explained when I post my next theory)

The reason that the Gerudo's in FSA haven't been transformed into Moblins is because Ganon:
a) Doesn't yet have a stable hold on the land when he can do this, hasn't been powerful enough for long enough.  
or
b) Doesn't have the triforce of power (trident?)

Seriously if you think about it any game where the Gerudos exist moblins don't and vice versa.

LoZ-Moblins-No Gerudos
AoL-Moblins-No Gerudos
AlttP-Moblins-No Gerudos
LA-Moblins-No Gerudos
OOT-Moblins do not exist in the 1st half of the game but Gerudos do. After Link comes back and Ganon has a stable hold over hyrule a few moblins may be found near the forest temple (Ganon's loyalist minions?)
MM-Gerudos (Pirates, possible Gerudo)-No moblins
OOA, OOS- moblins, the only Gerudos are twinrova which makes sense because Ganon wouldn't transform his adopted mothers into ugly pigs :p
FS-Moblins-No Gerudos
TWW-Moblins-No Gerudos (Also note, we are told pirates used to inhabit Forsaken Fortress, pirates in MM use the Gerudo model. When Ganon resurfaces there are no more pirates in Forsaken Fortress but we start to see moblins...)
FSA-Gerudos-No Moblins
TMC-Moblins-No Gerudos
TP-???

Notice that everytime moblins exist is when Ganon is in power...

Now the main thing that was a set-back from this theory was the encyclopedia from www.zelda.com which said that moblins are just basically pirates who are hired by Ganon, but let me share with you something very interesting I found on zeldauniverse...
Okay so this may not be official but if it is...  
under the original LoZ game if you go to enemies, then scroll down to Moblin's it says this:
"A bulldog-like goblin that lives in the forest. Moblins are said to have been Ganon's closest relative..."
Closet relative hmm interesting...

and again under the enemies list for AOL:
"Moblins have also been around for centuries fighting in the name of Ganon. Now that their master is dead, they are extrodinarily angry."

Ideas, Criticisms? Feel free to post!





Hi no Seijin

#1
Ganon is not in LA, MM, FS, and TMC.

Other than that, okay, good theory, but it is generally accepted that OoT is the first game in Hyrule's history.  Also, it is the same Ganon.  He either breaks out of the Dark World or is reincarnated.
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Inferno

I believe reincarnated as possibly described in FSA does technically count as a new Ganon. Ganon was there in FSA, he was the main villan :P, it has also been stated that TMC is the 'oldest' legend.

Hi no Seijin

The Legend of the Picori is the oldest.  Not necessarily the game itself.
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Okay, OoT ganon, and WW ganon are related. The other ones are also related to each other but not to OoT ganon. The thieves in the forsaken fortress are the Sheiks! Their symbol is on ganons door when you go there in the Forsaken fortress #2. That means he could have made the Sheiks into moblins.

Evilslayer

All the Ganon's are the SAME. ALttP states that. As for the Sheikah, their symbol is also on Agahnim's cloak and Zelda's cloak in TP. Neither are Sheikahs.

Okay, so there's a theory that Agahnim is a Sheikah. I don't believe that. I think he's a Zuna. :-*

Davros

Personally I find it hard to believe that Aghahnim is a Sheika or a Zuna... but there you go.

Mysterious F.

Ganon is in FSA, Hi no Seijin.

Evilslayer

QuotePersonally I find it hard to believe that Aghahnim is a Sheika or a Zuna... but there you go.

He looks like one and he dresses like one. I'd say the evidences are overwhelming. :-*

Davros

I know, I just don't feel that a guy like Aghahnim would be either. His character just doesn't seem to fit.

Evilslayer

The Zuna built the Great Pyramid, which houses the Trident of Power, and have a dark past. I'd say he fits. :-*

Hi no Seijin

Quote from: Whocares on June 30, 2006, 03:19:33 PM
Ganon is in FSA, Hi no Seijin.
Whoops, I meant to say FS.  Sorry.
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Then don't post. (That way no one will notice when I remove you... ) ::)

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