Is George Bush a Good President?

[alical]

Sorry, but I don't have much of an opinion on George Bush, Tony Blair on the other hand...
One thing I have to say is in response to this:

he has basicly made us perhaps the most hated country in the UN and the world(with the exception of france of course

That is not true. Firstly, the America thing, you are not hated. Nobody blames America, even if they are anti-the iraq war. You can't hate a country just because of its leader.
And secondly, who hates France? You can't just guess who hates who, it doesn't work like that.

[Gamefreak]

3.Cheney

Yeah, you can't hate bush because you hate Cheney.  You hate Cheney then.

[darkphantomime]

Note as ought would be noting still,
thy poll hath made it's own argument.
50% have declared Bush a terrible president

Nay to say that all be blamed by either conspirator of each side
As to wit ought be by other's find
The thing about this here
As twould be doubted  by either mind
that Bush would travel by such thoughts of mere
is to say such criticism in its own havoc of neither thus assumed liberal truths or lies
Thus may one take connnotation thus
Bias hath it's own derilective must


To blame, it is such a moment
but things are as they are
and no other thing may be ventured back before us
when history must make way for future's dust
thus may debate and argument end in rile
when tear at each other's throats, bleed defile.


Heehee, sorry about the above rhyming scheme
I've been reading too much old british literature of late
thus it has affected me in a way to taint
as would be from mind to solemn theme.

[daemonsage420]

George Bush is as politically inept as he is intellectually. He does a lot more for his own benefit than he does for his nation. He's not that great. I gave him an F.

[darkphantomime]

Thus is now a majority rule, 51% decree in one voice,
a failure at most for his own points.

darn, I JUST can't stop rhyming.

[Gamefreak]

George Bush is as politically inept as he is intellectually. He does a lot more for his own benefit than he does for his nation. He's not that great. I gave him an F.

Again, as I've said to many people.  Can you back that up please.  Instead of making a statement, say something to back it up.

[Sabatta]

twillight you havent been to Eorope lately have you they hate our guts, i myself have seen them protetsing in the streets against the US, and the french bit was joke(but realy nobody realy likes the french)

GF the reason chewney is a reason is becuase he is like Gremon Wyrmtongue(cant think of a good zelda one) he wispers in Bushes ear, Bush obeys. nough said

[darkphantomime]

twillight you havent been to Eorope lately have you they hate our guts, i myself have seen them protetsing in the streets against the US, and the french bit was joke(but realy nobody realy likes the french)

GF the reason chewney is a reason is becuase he is like Gremon Wyrmtongue(cant think of a good zelda one) he wispers in Bushes ear, Bush obeys. nough said

Umm... Sabata? TZ LIVES in europe, she's british as a matter of fact...

AND I"M FRENCH

So I take personal offense when you say no one likes us... and what about our good ole canadian imp? How about making fun of HIM?

Nah, but seriously, *slaps glove across sabata's cheek*, you sir, I challenge to a duel!

[Gamefreak]

GF the reason chewney is a reason is becuase he is like Gremon Wyrmtongue(cant think of a good zelda one) he wispers in Bushes ear, Bush obeys. nough said

Prove it, that's all I can say.  Prove to me that George Bush does all that Dick Cheney says to him.

[MasterKeyX]

I would like to see that.  I haven't had a good debate in a long time.  Back then it was me, Master(Christmas)Key, and Dr. Rabies vs. TwilightZelda, Darkphantomime, and Zelda Veteran and that quieted down a while ago, so a reprise of the heated but calm debate would be appreciated.

Good times, my friend. Anyway, back to debating.

People, i can see the odds are stacked against GF. So it is time for me, the MasterKey, to weigh in.

Let's start hten, shall we.
1- All of Europe hates the Untied States. End of story. There are constant rallies and other protests against us because, with the exception of Great Britain, we are powerful and they are not because they have been WEAKENED by the secular-progresive movement. The only exception to this trule, thank god there is one, is Britain. You name a country in Europe, they hate us because they are drove by the seculars, and to the seculars like Michael Moore (who bashes our country in European media daily, by the way. he sadi americans are idiots and the bid bussinesses own us all) America is evil.

2- There is absolutely no evidnece whatsoever that Bush listens to everything Cheney says. Were did you get that from, our "friends" at the New York Times, or the idiots who used to spew their garbage on Air America (which is, thank god, now out of bussiness). You cannot trust wha6t these radical liberals/seculars say. They are completely out of whack from normal society. All they want is to destroy traditionalists and our Judeo-Christian values, which i will say they have done successfully everywhere in Europe except for our blessed exception, Britain.

3- Let me just talk a little biut about this whole "Bush is Stupid" idea that most of you misinformed people think is true. There are no facts in the world that can give us concrete evience he is not bright. He's stupid cause he mis-pronounces words? Thats just terrible and mean-spirited, maybe he's dyslexic or maybe he just gets nervous. He's stupid cause he pronounces other words differently and they sound wrong? My friends,that is called an accent. Now repeat it with me: Accent. He is a Texan, that how they pronounce words. That does not mean he is stupid in any way. Once again, who told you that, the 100% truthful National Enquirer? (sarcasm intended). THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED, they are PARTISAN PAPERS.

With that said, go ahead, either tear me apart or support me.

[darkphantomime]

OH god, not this ALL over again...

First of all, why don't you ask a few people who actually LIVE in europe yourself? There are a few people on this very site that do indeed live in europe. Ask THEM what they think europe thinks of the US and for what Reasons. Evilslayer lives in Norway, TZ lives in Britain, and Lady Nintendo lives in the Netherlands. I'd recommend PMing them yourself to find out their opinions rather than fill this board with your own.



AND CAN WE PLEASE HAVE PROPER SPELLING AND GRAMMAR??!

Seriously, Masterkey's above statement has so many english errors, it's not even funny. Not going off at him, but Sabata has also made the same mistakes.

You've gotta accept that being informed about the world is secular by definition. And if we are made to think that it is seculars who hate us, then pray tell, does that make the countries in the Middle East secular?

Gentlemen,  if we make generalities without specifics, then we are lost in this debate. Saying either that George Bush is stupid, or that Europe hates us because of 'secularism' is a very big generality. Without being specific on what details, what actions, what specific things that have been reported to back up as evidence.

And are we also to ignore the fact that the US has a history of secularism? Masterkey's blaming is way too broad, and is in turn blaming one broad idea, without looking and seperating them in bullets, each showing conclusiveness to back up reason.

If caring about the world and worldly events is evil, if not being ignorant, and thus classified as 'secular' means being evil, then I am not apathetic, I am someone who actually cares.

We are simply reviving old things and arguments when things are changing at this very moment. No longer does it matter that Europe hates us or has hated us, we have to think about what's happening in the NOW, rather than try to mix up emotions about what arguments have been displayed in the PAST.

And right now, Iraq is in a civil war. Look up the following definitions on any encyclopedia or dictionary: Secular, Civil War, and Worldliness. Just so that we may not shed more blood where blood shouldn't be shed.

An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world go blind.

[Gamefreak]

All of Europe hates the Untied States. End of story.

I'm going to have to disagree there.  You can't say ALL of Europe hates us.  Even though you did say Britain is on our side, you're implying that every single person in Europe is our enemy.  Sorry, but after being in an official debate club for awhile, you have to choose your words; or else, they'll be misconstrued.

[MasterKeyX]

Ok, i was a general in my above statament. And yes, Mr. Darkpahntomime, ill try to be the perfect speller next time, alright? And maybe ALL of Europe doesnt hate us. But some of them do. But back to debating.

I have a problem with the statement that the U.S. has a history of secularism. This is utterly amnd absolutely incorrect. On the contrary, the Founding Fathers, which the seculars seem to think they are representing, have the complete opposite idea. The U.S. had been traditionalist since 1776. The Founding Fathers, i can almost say with 100% sureness, did not approve of abortion (lets not get into that), a government that "nurtures" its citizens into success, and a gov't that redistributes the wealth of the rich. This is what the secular progressives want, my friends. And since some of us here are so bent on detail, let's look at each of them.

The secular progressives, who want us to have a government that redistributes the wealth of the rich and gives it to the poor is off the charts ridiculous. This is the exactly the opposite of what the Founders wanted. They wanted a governemnt that gets out of the way, one that allows the poeple to make money through capitalism and oppurtunity. Giving the rich's money to the poor so they can get by is not a good idea. Why should a rich man have to pay for another mans failure through taxes and whatnot? If the seculars win, they will redistribute wealth, and in turn, success, to the poor and the middle class. This is not a democracy my friends, this would then be a Socialist government.

The seculars also believe in something called restorative justice. What is that, you ask? It's a type of system that doesnt give criminals jail time, its gives them maybe a few days and then some "nurturing" help in the hospital (see that word nurturing again?) This is so retarded that i cant even fathom how its even got its own name. And if you want DETAIL that this happens, lets look at a case that happened not too long ago. This case, my friends, is about a girl who was repeatedly raped by her babysitter for 4 years. The family, of course, went to court and the rapsit lost. But thanks to good ol' restorative justice, the man got 60 days for scarring this girl. It took a NATIONAL OUTCRY to get the man just 3 years in prison. This is what the seculars want, and more for restorative justice.

And to clarify, i never said, or "IMPLIED" that secularism is evil. It's just, to me, the worst way the world can go. Oh, and since detail is so important, i would like some detail about the points DP made. Also, when i say seculars, i mean secular progressives.

[Gamefreak]

You've read Bill O' Reiley's Culture Warrior haven't you?

[MasterKeyX]

Of course i have. It made me realize some things. I'm guessing you have to, right? (by the way, none of the things i said were directly quoted from Mr. O'Reilly). Let me clarify that the issues i have pointed out are secular-traditionalist, not liberal-conservative.