Creation of the Triforce

[newbkyng]

whatever. I've never played the oracle games.

besides, thats like saying there was no god in A.D. before religion was started (well, if you beleive in god of course). There were still the goddesses even if they weren't shown.

Also, figurines are 'easter-eggy'. Just because they're there doesn't mean they have any connection to other games.

[Mysterious F.]

Okay, here's my renewed theory, the MC and FS/FSA world is different from the ones of the other games,  MM and LA, and OOT, etc. Hyrule (OOS and OOA are part of the OOT world, but they are seperate places from Hyrule). It's is just a coincidence that they're both named Hyrule.

Also, Level 8 of the FSA, the heavens, is where all of them meet, and Ganon, when sealed in the Sacred Realm, found an exit, landed there, found out about Vaati, and possessed him with his Triforce abilities.

The Light force, meanwhile, was taken by the Minish, who were banned from Hyrule for safety.

Perhaps, like Termina and Hyrule (OOT, OOA, OOS, LTTP, LOZ, AOL, TWW, PH, and possibly TP), the worlds are mirror worlds, with Hyrule (OOT, etc.) made first. Thousands of years later, TMC and FS one was made, with the heavens as their meeting place. Of course, it would take thousands of years for the second on to be an almost perfect mirror image, and this is when TMC takes place, and OOT too.

Then, at the same time Link returned to the past and lost Navi, the goddesses created Termina, which still needed perfection. Because it was just created, it was maturing into a nearly perfect mirror image.

It is just a coincidence Link landed in Termina nad not TMC and FS world. Also, I think LA happened in Termina, when Link tried to return to Hyrule, he stayed for years thinking of a plan to get out. When he was about 17, Link thought of the sea and found himself in LA, then he sailed back to Termina, and realized he could not leave by sea, so he tried finding another portal and failed.

Meanwhile, when Link would be thirty, Vaati returned, and so a mirror image happend in Hyrule (OOT), Ganon returned. This led to the flooding, because Link wasn't there (a similar event could take place in Termina, but Link, still looking for the portal, was not in the part shown in the MM game), so Ganon conquered it. I can't explain how the same didn't happen in MC world, but it is certain Vaati was beaten there.

Then came WW, Ganon sealed away, and found a new exit, thinking it led to OOT Hyrule, but led to FSA Hyrule. Meanwhile, PH happened, while it mirrored in FSA Hyrule as FSA, Ganon defeated there, whatever defeated in PH Hyrule. Ganon stayed in OOT Hyrule, and the other two were never heard of again.


Also, this is theories material.

[LadyNintendo]

1. ALTTP's Hyrule and FSA's seem pretty much the same to me. And ALTTP's Hyrule is the same, though ounger Hyrule as OOT's.

2. I don't see why Vaati would give up his part of the Lightfore or under which circumstances it could be taken from him. I don't recall Ganon ever clearly possessing anyone, so there's reason to doubt he has that ability. And I don't see why the Triforce of Power would be more powerful than the almost the entire Lightforce.  

3. I don't see how the Minish could be in danger by staying. Nobody can see them, so they are pretty safe.

4. If Termina was created almost just before Link got there, then why does it have such a huge past? Ikana wasn't destroyed recently.

5. If the goddesses would've created Termina (and especially because they did that only recently), wouldn't the people of Termina know about them? Not one reference is made. Their gods, the ones that created their world(s) are the four giants.

6. The flood takes place FAR more than only like 14 years after OOT.

[Mysterious F.]

I can't explain it, but mabye the goddesses new Link would come and made it so it looked older, gave everyone the memory, and present a challenge to Link.

[LadyNintendo]

Reminds me of a bunch of religious people that once tried to explain fossils (millions of years old, while the earth, according to them/their believe, was only a couple of thousand years old) as something given by god to confuse us and therfor give us a challenge.

Sorry, but it's very unlikely.

[Mysterious F.]

This is a fantasy world. And he's the Hero of Time. As I said, mabye the goddesses wanted for him to have a new challenge, and it failed.

[LadyNintendo]

Even despite it's a fantasy world, "ridiculous will of the gods" and "random magic" are hardly ever good answers. Just because everything can happen doesn't mean it will. There's also something called logic or common sense and I think that even in the most fantasy of fantasy worlds, those beat "fantasy reasons". Please, I'm not insulting you or anything. I'm just saying why I think it's not likely that happened. But, what do you mean with "it failed"?

[newbkyng]

1. ALTTP's Hyrule and FSA's seem pretty much the same to me. And ALTTP's Hyrule is the same, though ounger Hyrule as OOT's.

2. I don't see why Vaati would give up his part of the Lightfore or under which circumstances it could be taken from him. I don't recall Ganon ever clearly possessing anyone, so there's reason to doubt he has that ability. And I don't see why the Triforce of Power would be more powerful than the almost the entire Lightforce.  

3. I don't see how the Minish could be in danger by staying. Nobody can see them, so they are pretty safe.

4. If Termina was created almost just before Link got there, then why does it have such a huge past? Ikana wasn't destroyed recently.

5. If the goddesses would've created Termina (and especially because they did that only recently), wouldn't the people of Termina know about them? Not one reference is made. Their gods, the ones that created their world(s) are the four giants.

6. The flood takes place FAR more than only like 14 years after OOT.

1. So what, its just the same graphics.
2.He was killed. And it sorta could be. No game has explained the true potential of either.
3. Um... I have no idea wat you just said.
4. Ever seen 'The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe'?
5. ...who said they did?
6. We don't know that.

[Lemmy]

That wasnt very well thought out newbkyng. It seems like your just trying to disregard the points Lady nintendo is making. And another thing they are NOT the same graphics.

[LadyNintendo]

Thank you, Lemmy.  

newbkyng,
1. I never said or meant graphics when I said they looked the same. First of all, FSA has ALTTP, TMC and TWW graphics, so it couldn't be the same for that reason. I was refering to the map as a whole.

2. It doesn't seem to me the Lightforce is inferior. God is pretty much the highest rank, something the Lightforce allows you to become. Also, Vaati could not have died. I admit I was dissapointed about his apparent death in FSA, but I soon realized he could not have died. Both the Master Sword and the Four Sword are not capable of killing pure evil. Only locking it up or banishing. And Vaati is pure evil. Or let me put it this way: Vaati was already imprisoned 3 times by the Four Sword before FSA (TMC, pre-FS, FS). If it could destroy him, he would've been dead a long time ago.

3. It's not that hard. Hardly anyone even believes the Minish to be real, and only about four children in the entire TMC saw a Minish. If Ganondorf and/or his minions can't spot them, don't know about them and, because they aren't a threat at all, why would they need to run? I don't think it would be necessary for them. And even so, I don't think they could (gate has to be open and the need to have acces to it. Usually the first thing Ganondorf claims/destroys is Hyrule Castle.) or would. Beings that thrive on making people happy and have dedicated their lives to do so, won't just abandon those same people when they need help the most.

4. No. Care to explain?

5. Who is the "they" you are refering to? The Goddesses or the Giants? The Goddesses were said to have created Termina by Shino, the Giants by Anju's grandmother in Majora's Mask(?).

6. Yes we do. TP comes a few decades after OOT. My guess: 70 years. And I only give it 5% chance to end with the flood.

[Evilslayer]

My guess: 200+ years. Yes, that's several decades too, and it's far more likely. At least, I very strongly doubt it's less than 100 years after OoT.

As for Termina, they know of the Goddess of Time (who I believe is Nayru).

It is just a coincidence Link landed in Termina nad not TMC and FS world. Also, I think LA happened in Termina, when Link tried to return to Hyrule, he stayed for years thinking of a plan to get out. When he was about 17, Link thought of the sea and found himself in LA, then he sailed back to Termina, and realized he could not leave by sea, so he tried finding another portal and failed.

He's a kid when he returns to Hyrule. Besides, Agahnim and the old school Ganon isn't in OoT. The final Nightmare transforms ONLY to characters/creatures he has met.

Don't beleive they're from the oracle games? Check their figurines from Carlov. This also disproves your "this is the first game" theory

How many times do I have to say this? The only thing those figurines prove is that they're in a line of oracles. Now tell me, where in the Oracles is it stated that the oracles in those games are the first in the bloodline?

[LadyNintendo]

Never really gave that a thought. More than 100 years....Possibly.

Um, just how do you know Termina knows about this "Goddess of Time"?

And do you mean OOT/MM Link made it back to Hyrule, or just that he tried finding it as a kid? I doubt he tried to get home at the end of MM and that, if he ever tried, got "home" again.

[Evilslayer]

The ending sequence shows KID Link back in the forest where he started. As for the Goddess of Time, do you know that guy who gives you the biggest wallet?

Well, if you go back in you'll see him down in the room with the fence. He's shivering with fear and is praying to the Goddess of Time.

[LadyNintendo]

Doesn't mean he tried to get back or got back. He still has that "friend" to look for and I don't think he would just give up his original quest after Majora's little party of world destruction. I don't think Link ever made it back, because TWW stated the Hero left, but not that he ever returned.

Oh, and I just found the quote. Thanks. I never saw that before.

[Evilslayer]

Try and think of a way the KoRL could have added that he did return without it looking silly. Then you can try and explain what significance it has to the story.

As for his friend, the KoRL says that Link was called away from Hyrule. Prophetic dream, anyone? Tatl? I'm pretty sure he saw himself in Termina, followed by a faerie who he assumed to be Navi. From what the intro says Navi is the only one he can have been looking for.