*Spoiler* Gerudo?

[Mysterious F.]

Why is it called Gerudo Desert? Why not Desert Colossus? Are there any Gerudo at all?

[Gamefreak]

No, it might have been the remnants of the Gerudo Desert though.  It seems this Gerudo Desert is much bigger than the Ocarina one, so maybe this is a different section.  Because in Ocarina of Time, the desert is in the West, but in this game, it's in the east.

[Mysterious F.]

Still in the West. Remember, the Wii version is reversed.

[bgrugby]

Yeah I have wondered where they were in the game, for a while I thought maybe they were the Twili and became them as punishment from the Goddesses for following Ganondorf but I do not think that is the case. I am sure they are still around but probably in hiding.

[Eralk Fang]

I agree with bgrugby in that I think they're hiding... they resurface in one of the Four Swords games, I believe. Can't remember which at the moment. They're just either ashamed or embarassed at the fact that they really blindly followed Ganondorf as an entire community, and disappeared pretty far into the desert to remove themselves from further damage. And Telma's definitely got some Gerudo blood going on, so they at least were around about 30-40 years before Twilight Princess. Actually, when I got into Gerudo Desert, I kind of thought they built Arbiter's Grounds as penance for generally raising and aiding Ganondorf, and they would staff it themselves, but no go. Shame, really.

[LadyNintendo]

1. The Gerudo are named after the desert and not the other way around. Even if they, the geldman and the geldarm would disappear (didn't saw those in the game either), it's still Gerudo Desert. Much like Lake Hylia where usually only one Hylian lives.

2. Please note that it is the GC version that has the correct map. Gerudo Desert is only a bit more to the north (at least, I think the Gerudo Fortress was located more southern).

3. I'm pretty sure they are still around. I don't believe the whole split timeline theory or the alternative universe theory, so I'd say it's pretty important they were featured in FSA.

4. I tend to think Arbiter's Ground indeed is built by them. It is remarkably similar to the Spirit Temple.

5. Why do people (in general) keep assuming that if one or more games don't feature a certain race, the race is most likely dead? I didn't see any Green Chu-Chu is TP, but I highly doubt they really didn't exist. Do I have to assume the Moblin race died out in TP? Or the Kokiri? Is there really no possibility that the Rito already are around? Or that the Oocca didn't exist in OOT?

[Zelda Veteran]

I agree whole heartedly. :D The Oocca were said to have created the Hylians, so they must have existed long before TP. And one race I'm not quite sure of are the Zuna tribe. They've only appeared in one game so far. And there is one gerudpo in TP, the evil King. In fact, i think it stated that Ganondorf actually slaughtered all of his tribe in a mad quest for power. I'll have to review that.

[LadyNintendo]

Please do so, because I can't remember such a thing. It also seems a little odd, considering how proud Ganondorf seems to be of his race (well, if I would be the cause of the destruction of my tribe, I would definetely stop wearing clothes with references to them.)

[Eralk Fang]

I think there's a reference in one manual or another that upon reaching the Sacred Realm, Ganondorf's crew began fighting amongst themselves for the Triforce, and at the end, Ganondorf was the winner- and lone survivor. His crew would be made up of a lot of Gerudo so... but I don't think he slaughtered them all- how do they end up in Four Swords Adventure, then? And his evil-doing started with a simple wish: his people to live in a better place. He cared about them in the beginning.

[LadyNintendo]

ALTTP I assume. I don't know, they don't have to be the Gerudo. He has commanded several races.

*checking Zeldalegends translation comparision article*

Hmm, okay. Does sound like them, though the Gerudo aren't "evil". Most Goblins seem perfectly capable of being the thieves spoken of.

BTW. Is it me, or does this quote sound very familiar:
"If thou hast a desire, then I shall desire it as well."

[DW]

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that is what Ganondorf told Zant, wasn't it? I'm not there, but my cousin is..

[LadyNintendo]

Yep.

Well, according to this: http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/text/z3translation/z3_manual_story.html

it's also what the Triforce once "said" to Ganondorf.

[Mysterious F.]

To LadyNintendo:

The Desert is more southern, and the Foretress north. I'm sure they are around, I just didn't know if you could find one. TP comes after OOT (TP comes after TWW, which is after OOT), and that desert was the Haunted Wasteland and the Desert Colossus. The Desert must be named after the Gerudo, because the Gerudo already had a name that I don't think meaned anything. Also, none of you have even considered the possibility that FSA came before, and the Gerudo died prior.

Also, there's this circle space on my map just a molecule north of Arbiter's. What's there?

[Eralk Fang]

Kabuto Yakushi: Then again, that all depends on your idea of the series timeline. I place Twilight Princess after Ocarina of Time due to the fact that the maps are overwhelmingly similar, and Wind Waker basically "resets" the maps (what with giant flood and all), creating Old Hyrule (Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess) and New Hyrule (A Link to the Past and other similar games; Link and Tetra discover this new Hyrule sometime after Wind Waker). Four Swords Adventure, as the sequel to Four Swords, is set in Old Hyrule, due to those games being designed around the port of A Link to the Past. This places Four Swords Adventure after Twilight Princess. This is what I go off of with my theories. I'd be interested to hear the reasoning of a theory that places Four Swords Adventure before Twilight Princess- it would take a good deal of analyzing, but would be very interesting.

I am dangerously skidding off topic and into timeline theorizing! Back to business.

LadyNintendo, I think there were goblins and various sundry creatures among Ganondorf's crew, but it's not entirely far-fetched some Gerudo are still following him around that time.

And I don't think the Gerudo ever die out (within the games released). Zelda deserts are huge, and we're not even going off the gameplay maps. Since Four Swords Adventure places Gerudo in New Hyrule, they could have retreated further into the desert, or even left Hyrule altogether- perhaps settling in Calatia or a country unknown to us.

And I'm just thinking here, but it wouldn't it be awesome if the Gerudo showed up as pirates in Phantom Hourglass? Thieves to pirates isn't that big of a difference (add water and boats), and Phantom Hourglass is covering new areas of the Great Sea, where they could have been during Wind Waker...

[Zelda Veteran]

Well, Eralk, The Gerudo actually were pirates in majora's mask. I thought that was cool as well. And Lady nintendo, i dont know why, but whenever you respond to something i wrote, you seem to know it all. That kind of angers me. But I digress. We need Shiggy Miamoto up in here. ^_-