*Spoiler* Gerudo?

[LadyNintendo]

Eralk Fang > Before I write anything else, I'd like to let you know it's Four Swords Adventures, not Four Swords Adventure.  

*checks map of OOT*

Okay, proof I don't know it all. I thought OOT's desert was way more to the south. Silly me. Sorry for that. Still can picture them living in a part of the desert not accesible in TP.

I doubt the desert is named after the Gerudo. I already mentioned the geldman and the geldarm. "Geld" is another way of translating "Gerudo". Looks more like whatever lives in the desert is named after the desert, although it is possible the Gerudo named if after them, and then other people named the monsters living in the desert after the desert.

Though I stick with a single timeline, I kinda temporarily gave up figuring out what games comes when in the timeline. Why? Because too much is possible. Yes, FSA can come before TP (at least, it's 8 o'clock in the morning and my brain right now can't think of any reason why it couldn't come before TP). Heck, if you believe the split timeline theory, you can also argue they are not from the same timeline. It just proves that just because you don't see a certain race for awhile, that doesn't mean they don't exist anymore. (All I can say for now is that if FSA comes before TP, I'm not happy with the fact Ganondorf used a sword (*yawn*) instead of that cool new magical Trident he found in FSA).

[DW]

I still think it would be hilarious if NIntendo doesn't have it in a timeline, and there's no explanation, they just make the games and laugh at us going crazy over hidden themes that aren't there...

[Eralk Fang]

There is supposedly a master timeline in the recesses of Miyamoto's files, but I don't think we're going to see it anytime soon!

Oops, LadyNintendo. I have been super tired recently.

[Mysterious F.]

Eralk, you forgot Nintendo has said TP comes after TWW. Also, the Four Swords, if they are based around the LTTP map, would have to be in New Hrule, not old Hyrule. Also, this should be a simple timeline, containing only the major games:

OOT - TWW and PH - TP - LTTP - LOZ and AOL.

Also, the Four Swords are probably next to LTTP, most likely before. Minish Cap probably comes after TP, it's just a hunch. LA would be around LTTP, because, since the Final Nightmare takes the form of Agnahim and Ganon, using their same LTTP strategies. The Oracles are the only one that puzzles me. I think they would be after TWW and PH, and before LOZ and AOL, but where exactly I can only guess. They probably aren't near LTTP and LA, either, since the Final Nightmare could have taken Twinrova's form (more powerful than some of the other forms it became), so I place them at MC, especially since the Oracles are seen there almost exactly as how they were in the Oralce series. So this is my timeline:

OOT - TWW and PH - TP - MC and Oracles - FS series, LTTP, and LA - LOZ and Aol.


And I never said FSA is before TP, I only said none of you are considering the possibility.

Also, you forgot to answer my question on what is in that circle thing!

[LadyNintendo]

So because they look tha same and seem to be the same person, you think the Oracles in TMC and OOx are the same? Let's see what that means for all games that feature Malon.... (yep, little bit of sarcasm.....Not saying your timeline is incorrect!)

I'd answer what's in the circle if I'd knew what you're talking about. I don't recall any circle, and I haven't had the time to check yet.

Nintendo says a lot. Besides, I recall that was a mistranslation of the interview and that it has been several times stated TP happens before TWW. Again, I couldn't care less because they claim way too much.

Anyway, some supporters of the split timeline have placed TP as the next adventure in the young Link timeline. Considering the end of OOT, that is possible. However, I say that if Link indeed was brought back before getting the Master Sword, it'd only make sense he'd be brought back just before getting the MS and just after getting the stones (otherwise, he'd be locked up and even more of his actions would never have happened, thus bringing a lot of people in danger again). But, I'm pretty sure Ganon would've killed him then, considering he was following Link.

Anyway, I think you can make tons of timeline theories by using the "evidence" you want to use (using all = no timeline). However, we have a timeline section for that.

[DW]

as soon as I am at my Mom,s I wil investigate the circle thing...also, the oracles probably aren't the same, think about how many Links and Zeldas there are....

[Mysterious F.]

I found out. It's the Coliseumn (spelling wrong) thing where the Twilight Mirror used to be.

And LadyNintendo, I was only proving a point to Eralk Fang, who also posted a timeline here. And if you want to create a timeline and post it on the Timeline section, you can. Don't take this offensively.

[Evilslayer]

I personally don't feel comfortable about putting games like ALttP and TP after TWW until Nintendo release a game that connects to the aftermath of TWW and gives me a reason to put ALttP and TP after TWW.

Of course, it's not impossible that the guy who teach you the Hidden Skills in TP is the Hero of Wind (the way he talks about the green tunics seems as if it was already a tradition at his time), but I still think it's the Hero of Time.

[Eralk Fang]

There are many different timelines out there, and thinking about what happens between games often depends on which one you use. Ah, theorizing. Kabuto Yakushi, thank you for explaining your timeline to me, but I should have asked you to send me a PM. Sorry. I think the main timeline thing that's relevant to this thread is that Ocarina of Time comes before Twilight Princess.

To get back to the Gerudo (or lack thereof) in Twilight Princess: What are your thoughts on Telma and her ancestry?

In Ocarina of Time, a Gossip Stone will tell you that Gerudos come to the Castle Town to find mates. I've heard that Gerudo will return a son from such a union to his father or kill it, but couldn't find anything about it in an Ocarina of Time text dump, so it may be a piece of fanon. There's at least some Hylian blood in the Gerudos of Ocarina of Time if the information got into a Gossip Stone, but they still retain the traditional Gerudo look: red hair, prominent noses, tan skin, and rounded ears. The Gerudo genetics are bizarrely super dominant. Now, if you show Talon the Gerudo Mask, he comments that the mask resembles Malon's mother. If her mother was Gerudo, then Malon was left behind at the ranch, probably due to the fact she looked more Hylian than Gerudo, her ears in particular. So the dominance of "true" Gerudo traits are starting to wane in the genetics of the Gerudo during Ocarina of Time, if we believe Talon that Malon's mother is Gerudo.

Fast forward to Twilight Princess. No Gerudo to be seen, save Ganondorf himself, but Telma has a few of the traits. She's tan and redheaded, but her pointy ears give her away as a Hylian. It's plausible to say that by this point, Gerudo genetics are no longer as super dominant as they once were, and Telma's got some Gerudo in her background- how close the connection, we don't know.

An extreme one could conclude from this is that the Gerudo have basically... diffused. Always dependent on Hylian mates, and perhaps... "removing" baby Gerudo boys, rare as they are, due to the evil Ganondorf has brought about (trying to avoid another repeat), the Gerudo of Ocarina of Time are no more (well, except for Ganondorf). Instead, the Gerudo move to the cities, take Hylian and human mates, and you end up with people like Telma being the closest thing to a "classic" Ocarina of Time Gerudo you can get.

I do think that's very extreme, and don't think that's the case, but I also think it's an interesting thing to "what if" about.

What do you guys think- either about the extreme or Telma's ancestry?

[Mysterious F.]

Okay, now this goes into Theories.

I believe that it is most likely a coincidence that Telma and Din look like Gerudo. Din is reasonable, she is motly in the sun, therefore gaining a tan. Plus, we've seen Asian, European/North American, and African originated poeple throughout the Zelda series. It's possible Native Amerian could also be there. Or mabye Latin Americans.

[Evilslayer]

Din is not a coincidence. Her physical look is SUPOSSED to resemble the Goddess.

Anyway, going by Eralk Fang's theory, I'm starting to think that maybe FSA fits better before TP, and therefore the 'execution' of Ganon has nothing to do with OoT. And what happens with Ganon in FSA do fit the description Eralk Fang gave. Ganon is chased into the desert because he's evil.

Now I'm also starting to believe that maybe OoT isn't the Seal War. It still fits with the Japanese version of the legend, but I now believe it's after FSA and a few centuries before TP and that after the Sages sealed off the 'source of evil' and Ganon was defeated he was brought to the Mirror Chamber to face execution.

This will create some holes in the timeline, but if this theory is correct they are likely to be filled sooner or later.

[Mysterious F.]

Well, my guess is that FSA is between OOT and TP, and that the desert was renamed because the Gerudo got tired of Ganon and joined Hyrule's side. In revenge, Ganon massacred them all once free.

Also, this brings a few mysteries. Where does LTTP fit in. This mystery began once TWW came out, and now it is worse with TP out. How could Ganon be reborn after he died? (If my guess leads to him dying at the end) What connection between those two mirrors is there? What is the Orcarina/Flute in LTTP? Why does the map always get scrambled up to make it even worse?

Why did Ganon bother doing the same things he did to the Zora's in OOT, knowing it would fail? Is there really a game before OOT? What role do the Zunas later play? Why do the the things in Dark World LTTP say they are from the OOT war against Ganon if they don't appear in the Twilight Realm and the Dark Realm are the same? Why does all this make my head spin?

[Harashi]

Well I assume it's the same desert, in arbiter grounds theres a gerudo statue with a snake wrapped around it that is almost identical to the one in the spirit temple. I assume that it became a prison/death house later on when they stored all sorts of criminals in there.

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