The Temple of Time (spoilers maybe)

[Evahn]

I'm not really sure about this, but I want to hear what everyone else thinks of the temple's location in TP. I'm not sure why or how it's there, assuming it's the same building from OoT.

The one thing I can think of is that it actually wasn't moved. Hyrule Castle was abandoned when Ganondorf took over in OoT, yes? The only building that remained unharmed was the Temple of Time. So suppose the Hylians and Hyruleans never went back to the castle after Ganon was defeated, and after enough time, a great forest grew up around it, which became the forest in the Faron Province of TP. Which would mean Hyrule Castle was rebuilt elsewhere after OoT.

It seems possible to me, but the problem is it would throw off the entire map alignment between OoT and TP. But I'm not ready to believe that the ToT was moved that far ...

So what do you guys think?

[bgrugby]

Well that is a possiblity but I think that it was just another entrence into the Temple of Time. You enter and it cuts to when you exit, that doesn't mean that it was an immediate enter/exit. It could have actually been a long while Link had to go till he exited and arrived at the Temple of Time. Just cause it was a cut scene doesn't mean it happened that fast in the game.

[LadyNintendo]

I don't think Hyrule castle Town was located there ever. It's current location is similar to that of OOT, so I tend tothink that if anything moved, it's the TOT. I don't have a real theory about it. It could be that the TOT has two entrances, but personally, I think they just relocated it.

What? It's possible. I don't think TP is only 100 years after OOT. It's just downright impossible and nothing in the game even hints at something like that. I go for 300 years, plenty of time to relocate it and abandon.

[Eralk Fang]

I think the Temple of Time was moved for safety reasons- people are always going to desire the Triforce (otherwise we wouldn't have any games, right?), and to have the door to the Sacred Realm, where the Triforce is, right in the middle of the biggest town in Hyrule... not a good idea. So it's moved to the most out of the way spot they can think of- the woods deep in Faron Province.

I just don't think Castle Town was abandoned, because that's a little more complicated then the Temple of Time just being relocated for whatever reason.

[LadyNintendo]

yeah, that was what I was thinking too. Or else, if (or rather, when) Ganondorf would escape from the Sacred Realm, the population of Hyrule Castle Town at least has a chance to prepare itself.

[Evahn]

What do you think of the entrance to the temple? I think it is a time portal, taking Link back to a certain time, but in the exact same place. But it could be a location portal, the actual temple not being in the woods, but somewhere else that is entirely inaccessable without the portal. But I like the idea of a time portal.

TP is definately more than 100 years after OoT. I was thinking more like 500, but I can see 300, too.

I'm thinking now that the ToT was moved, because if it wasn't, everything else in Hyrule would have to be moved. None of the places in TP would be the same places from OoT. The temple was either moved, or rebuilt entirely.

[Eralk Fang]

I don't think it's a location portal. It's been pointed out elsewhere (I can't remember where at the moment; I'll dig it up tomorrow) that the door says "time door" on it in Hylian. Since we've got the door, guards, and Master Sword in the same area, the Temple of Time probably just fell apart. Too good of a hiding place, apparently.

[LadyNintendo]

I think I go for the time portal only thing. Also, the areas behind those two owl statues correspond to what you can see in the present, only minus the owl statues.  

Only slightly related, what's up with Kakariko Village? If the hidden village is the true one, then was the one in OOT fake? Or have the Sheikah always had a second place to call home?

[Eralk Fang]

The Kakariko Village corresponds to the one from Ocarina of Time, being placed at the base of Death Mountain and all. That points to the Hidden Village maybe being a Sheikah hide-out. However, there's a billboard in the Hidden Village that says "Welcome to Old Kakariko". This could mean that there was originally one hidden Kakariko Village, filled with Sheikah, and then another one built so they could interact with the other races from somewhere a little less sinister then a hidden village- New Kakariko, but they didn't want people to find out about the Hidden Village, so it was merely Kakariko Village.

[LadyNintendo]

Yeah, but how about the Shadow Temple (where did it go anyway?) and the well then? They seemed to be pretty old and very Sheikah related in OOT. Why would they be located in a fake Kakariko?

[Eralk Fang]

Hmm... there's nothing really solid to go on, but I've got a few ideas. I don't think it's a "fake" Kakariko, like a cover Kakariko, but just a new Sheikah settlement (and they weren't very creative with names).

1.Old Kakariko was inhabited by Sheikah before The Great War. Afterwards (or even during), they move to New Kakariko in order to be more available to the Royal Family in case of flare-ups. Old Kakariko is entirely abandoned, save a few stubborn elders. A Shadow Temple and a well are constructed to imitate the Old Kakariko.

2. Old Kakariko was abandoned way before the Great War, for reasons even the Sheikah themselves have forgotten, for New Kakariko. While it retained the same name as the original village, it prospered as Old Kakariko could not, due to its hidden location. A Shadow Temple and a well are constructed for the first time in New Kakariko.

As for the Shadow Temple... I'm one of those people who could never get beyond the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time (shame on me, I know), but I think that the Shadow Temple is located at the very back of the graveyard. And at the back of the graveyard now is... the Royal Zora graveyard. It definitely looks like it was destroyed between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, but since temples aren't built in an area for no reason at all, they used the supposedly sacred ground for the Royal Zora graveyard.

[LadyNintendo]

I wonder if they can be destroyed. I mean, completely....the actual temple part and the corridors and rooms leading to it. And...what does that mean? They have been built for a reason, so what if they get destroyed.

Too bad I can't help you. I think the water temples are a piece of cake (it's ice I'm not that happy with. I wonder if I would've been able to complete the cancelled Ice Temple.) The entrance to the Shadow Temple is definetely destroyed, but that doesn't mean the rest is too. I'd be surprised if that'd be the case.

[Eralk Fang]

Hmm, that's right. I think at least the entrance was destroyed, in whatever way, and made room for the Zora graveyard, but the deeper rooms might be behind that, blocked off for whatever reason. Now, that would be an interesting dungeon- the Shadow Temple Ruins, accessible through a Zora grave, but you'd need a lot of bombs.

Heh, I've come to terms with my inability to defeat it! When I encountered the Lakebed Temple in Twilight Princess, I was terrified I'd get stuck there forever and never complete that game. Happily, that wasn't the case.

[Evahn]

The Shadow Temple was probably destroyed, or just fell apart after so many years. The case is likely the same with the Temple of Time's dungeon area, because isn't it eight stories tall? It must've collapsed sometime before TP, because you can't see any of it.

[LadyNintendo]

Yeah, but the Temple of Time always exists as long as there's something left (in TP's case, that door). I wonder if that might also be the case with the other Temples, IF they get destroyed. I don't know, those things are built for a reason. We know that the Temple of Time probably will survive a lot more. We know that the desctruction of the Temple of Light would be very inconvenient. And I don't even want to know what happen if one of the Temples from the Sages who are responsible for the Master Sword would get destroyed.
So, what are the consequences if the other Temples would really be gone?

Therefore, I think the Temple parts still exist.