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Started by bgrugby, January 11, 2007, 10:31:24 PM

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bgrugby

Ok this is a cry for help please tell me I am not the only split timeliner (aka Splitter) out there cause it is obvious that the timeline of Hyrule follows a split timeline (hello all of you have heard of the Oracle series...they happen at the same time). Please tell me I am not the only one who follows the Split Timeline Theory...and if there are others please exchange your theories.

LadyNintendo

There are more (lots of them). So don't feel lonely. I don't believe it (and no, it's not obvious. It's just as possible as a single timeline), but I gotta admit most split timeline theories are really good.

Evilslayer

QuoteOk this is a cry for help please tell me I am not the only split timeliner (aka Splitter) out there cause it is obvious that the timeline of Hyrule follows a split timeline (hello all of you have heard of the Oracle series...they happen at the same time). Please tell me I am not the only one who follows the Split Timeline Theory...and if there are others please exchange your theories.

The Oracles don't happen at the same time. Never played a linked game? Anyway, like LadyNintendo said, there are many splitters. Although the timeline theory I currently most believes in is single I also do have a split timeline. And I don't think it's unlikely.

bgrugby

Quote from: Evilslayer on January 12, 2007, 05:30:37 AM
QuoteOk this is a cry for help please tell me I am not the only split timeliner (aka Splitter) out there cause it is obvious that the timeline of Hyrule follows a split timeline (hello all of you have heard of the Oracle series...they happen at the same time). Please tell me I am not the only one who follows the Split Timeline Theory...and if there are others please exchange your theories.

The Oracles don't happen at the same time. Never played a linked game? Anyway, like LadyNintendo said, there are many splitters. Although the timeline theory I currently most believes in is single I also do have a split timeline. And I don't think it's unlikely.

Actually never played a linked game and never heard of one until Oracles. But the fact remains. In both Oracles, Link went to the Triforce, from different directions. That (and OoT) is to me clear proof of a split timeline theory...I cannot even believe in a singular theory anymore like I used to.

Hi no Seijin

I use whatever theory best fits the plot of the fanfic I'm writing, and a split timeline theory isn't really one of them.  Nor would I try to come up with one; I would just get one big headache thinking about the time paradoxes.  Talking about my multiple universe theory is bad enough.  However, a split timeline theory is possible depending on how you interpret the evidence you find in the games.
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bgrugby

#5
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on January 12, 2007, 08:25:18 PM
I use whatever theory best fits the plot of the fanfic I'm writing, and a split timeline theory isn't really one of them.  Nor would I try to come up with one; I would just get one big headache thinking about the time paradoxes.  Talking about my multiple universe theory is bad enough.  However, a split timeline theory is possible depending on how you interpret the evidence you find in the games.

Well I interpret the history from what the creators say when they basically said OoT had two endings (one with Link getting sent back to being a kid with kid Zelda and one without a Link, cause he was sent back, and an adult Zelda and sealed Ganon) and them saying Wind Waker takes place after the OoT ending where there is no Link. And also how it makes sense that some Hyrule's in Zelda game belong in one split timeline and others belong in another.

LadyNintendo

Well, my question is, to when was Link send back and what are the consequences of the split at that time?
There are only a few logical moments:
* Brought back to that moment he woke up and met Navi.
* Brought back to the point after helping the Deku Tree.
* Brought back to before/after meeting Zelda
* Brought back to after opening the door to the Master Sword.
* Brought back to the moment after he entered the Sacred Realm (Ganon is inside)
* Brought back to the last moment he went to the adult timeline.

The first three don't make much sense if you think about it. Mostly because he wasn't at the ToT at that time.
The fourth one would end with a dead Link since Ganon was following him. And no way Link could defeat him as a nine (whatever) year old.
The fifth one is possible, but why on earth didn't they do that the "first" time? Also, if the sacred Realm is a timeless realm (hinted by being the place Link uses to travel between the adult and child years), then we have two Links.
The last one is impossible as well: There's a timeloop that doesn't get completed, meaning it could never have occured meaning the ending is impossible. Also, again, two Links.

Also, if we use the first explanations, a lot of things Link did never happen. Zelda is still in danger, the Skulltula family is still cursed and Nabooru is doomed (unless Zelda expects him to risk his life again). Probably more, but this is the only stuff I can come up with now. I'm also wondering if and how this affects other dimensions.

Evahn

#7
The whole split theory makes sense, but in TWW, the King of Red Lions says the Hero of Time left Hyrule, and that is why the Triforce of Courage is split into eight(?) pieces. How would he know that if the Hero of Time left Hyrule in the other timeline, according to the theory.

Also, where would TP fit into the split theory, because Link has the Triforce of Courage in that game.

bgrugby

Quote from: LadyNintendo on January 13, 2007, 03:59:06 AM
Well, my question is, to when was Link send back and what are the consequences of the split at that time?
There are only a few logical moments:
* Brought back to that moment he woke up and met Navi.
* Brought back to the point after helping the Deku Tree.
* Brought back to before/after meeting Zelda
* Brought back to after opening the door to the Master Sword.
* Brought back to the moment after he entered the Sacred Realm (Ganon is inside)
* Brought back to the last moment he went to the adult timeline.

The first three don't make much sense if you think about it. Mostly because he wasn't at the ToT at that time.
The fourth one would end with a dead Link since Ganon was following him. And no way Link could defeat him as a nine (whatever) year old.
The fifth one is possible, but why on earth didn't they do that the "first" time? Also, if the sacred Realm is a timeless realm (hinted by being the place Link uses to travel between the adult and child years), then we have two Links.
The last one is impossible as well: There's a timeloop that doesn't get completed, meaning it could never have occured meaning the ending is impossible. Also, again, two Links.

Also, if we use the first explanations, a lot of things Link did never happen. Zelda is still in danger, the Skulltula family is still cursed and Nabooru is doomed (unless Zelda expects him to risk his life again). Probably more, but this is the only stuff I can come up with now. I'm also wondering if and how this affects other dimensions.

I do not know what nonsense you are talking about cause even in the actual ending of OoT you see a Young Link meeting a Young Zelda in the courtyard. And obviously Link remembers everything that has happened and Zelda has dreamed about Link before and so she believes his story and there you go. I love how you try to put down every other timeline story but your own.

Hi no Seijin

Hey, whoa, slow down.  You're going on the assumption that Ganondorf isn't Link's father. :P

It's questions like that that stop me from trying to come up with a split timeline theory.  But, hey, if anyone comes up with a split timeline that'll make a great story, let me know.  I much rather read timelines for the sake of a story.  That's why I like reading The Missing Link's The Book of Mudora so much.
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#10
Quote from: bgrugby on January 13, 2007, 09:48:08 PM
Quote from: LadyNintendo on January 13, 2007, 03:59:06 AM
Well, my question is, to when was Link send back and what are the consequences of the split at that time?
There are only a few logical moments:
* Brought back to that moment he woke up and met Navi.
* Brought back to the point after helping the Deku Tree.
* Brought back to before/after meeting Zelda
* Brought back to after opening the door to the Master Sword.
* Brought back to the moment after he entered the Sacred Realm (Ganon is inside)
* Brought back to the last moment he went to the adult timeline.

The first three don't make much sense if you think about it. Mostly because he wasn't at the ToT at that time.
The fourth one would end with a dead Link since Ganon was following him. And no way Link could defeat him as a nine (whatever) year old.
The fifth one is possible, but why on earth didn't they do that the "first" time? Also, if the sacred Realm is a timeless realm (hinted by being the place Link uses to travel between the adult and child years), then we have two Links.
The last one is impossible as well: There's a timeloop that doesn't get completed, meaning it could never have occured meaning the ending is impossible. Also, again, two Links.

Also, if we use the first explanations, a lot of things Link did never happen. Zelda is still in danger, the Skulltula family is still cursed and Nabooru is doomed (unless Zelda expects him to risk his life again). Probably more, but this is the only stuff I can come up with now. I'm also wondering if and how this affects other dimensions.

I do not know what nonsense you are talking about cause even in the actual ending of OoT you see a Young Link meeting a Young Zelda in the courtyard. And obviously Link remembers everything that has happened and Zelda has dreamed about Link before and so she believes his story and there you go. I love how you try to put down every other timeline story but your own.

Talk about rude. Very rude. I'm not saying the split timeline is nonsense, I just say which questions it causes me to ask. Like there aren't any questions to ask with the single timeline theory.

I'll try to explain it again (though I assume you understand the first four. Therefore, I'm ignoring them and only re-explain the last two):

Time and space are not the same thing. If you'd go back in time now, you won't end up on Mars, but wherever you are now. Space is something else that needs to be taken care of. Suppose Link was send back to after Ganon had entered the Sacred Realm (so he'd be locked away in the Sacred Realm. Would be rather convenient since Zelda wouldn't be safe otherwise and Link dead in one case). Link would be in the Sacred Realm as well at that time. No matter what, there's been a period there were two Links: one in the Light World and one in the Sacred Realm. Is Rauru gonna let him "sleep" forever or kill him so he won't interfere with the life of the Link in the Light World? Wouldn't really be fair, huh? Also, chances are big Nabooru will still be brainwashed by Twinrova. I wouldn't know of any changes in the new timeline that would prevent that. Now, I'm gonna assume that since Zelda aknowledges she did something wrong because of ignorance at the end of OOT, she wouldn't put Link or anyone else in anymore danger. Then either Nabooru is doomed in the child timeline or Link must be prepared to take the risk to warn and/or free her again! He's put in danger again and there's a chance he won't survive it another time. I can't imagine adult Zelda doing that to them.
And like I said, what does this split timeline mean for the other realms connected to the "Hyrule realm". Are they split too? If yes, then one Termina has been destroyed and there's a crazy Majora's Mask on the lose who could easily get to Hyrule, which wouldn't have a hero to protect it anymore! If they do not split as well, then what decides where travelers get if they use the gates to get from one realm to the "Hyrule realm"? There are two equally possible destinies.

I don't think the part in which Zelda and Link met eachother in the end is possible. Link has the Triforce and Zelda doesn't. Explain that. Pfaaw, But that is even completely unrelated! How does that part of the ending make the/a single timeline impossible anyway? Of course Link knows everything. I'm not denying that. And of course Zelda will believe him. I'm not denying that either. It still doesn't mean there's no single timeline. Let me ask you this: What in the Adult timeline suggests all these things never happened in their past?

bgrugby

I am not saying a single timeline is impossible, I just don't believe it as it would have too many inconsistancies in it to work for me. And I have no idea what your asking in your last question.

Commodore Axilon

What inconsistencies would these be?

bgrugby

Well one would be the opening of Wind Waker when they go over the legend on how there was no Link to stop Ganon causing the Great Flood, the reason Link was not there to stop Ganon was because he didn't exist as he was sent back at the end of OoT

Commodore Axilon

#14
Uh, the Great Flood happens quite a while after OoT. So why would the Link from OoT have had to have done anything? He was long gone by the time of Ganon's return.