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Started by Knil, January 20, 2007, 08:08:25 AM

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Eralk Fang

We've seen religions decline in Zelda: in Wind Waker, goddess worship is at its lowest point. It is, of course, possible that Ikana were the goddess worshipers of Termina.

But the idea of Termina is being punished by the goddesses? That's just good clean fun.

Evilslayer

The Terminians worships the Goddess of Time.

Commodore Axilon

How do you figure that?

Eralk Fang

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QuoteThe Goddess of Time is protecting you. If you play the Song of Time, she will aid you...
-Zelda

QuoteSomebody! Anybody!!! Goddess of Time, help us please! We need more time!
-Tatl

QuoteOnly a little more than two days left...Oh, Goddess of Time, please save me...
-Unknown

QuoteOnly a little more than one day left...Oh, Goddess of Time, please save me...
-Unknown

QuoteOnly a little time left...Oh, Goddess of Time, please save me...
-Unknown

Those are all the mentions of the Goddess of Time from Majora's Mask. From Zelda's standpoint as a goddess worshipper, she could be referring to Nayru (as Goddess of Wisdom and Law, time could fall under her jurisdiction) or, from just education, she could be referring to the Goddess of Time, a completely Terminan deity all together. The presence of the Triforce in Majora's Mask makes me think the former.

Tatl invokes the Goddess of Time after Link's flashback, and she prays to the Goddess of Time as a sort of last resort- perhaps the Goddess of Time is a dying deity in Termina?

I don't know who spoke the other three quotes, but they seem to be spoken by the same person.

If the Terminans worship the Goddess of Time, I think there is a minority of goddess worshippers in Termina.

QuoteAnd the people rejoiced and they worshiped the giants of the four worlds like gods.
-Granny

The majority of them seem to worship the Four Giants.

Orpheousanew2nd

Off topic: I know this topic has been abandoned for ever, but I want to say my two cents on the matter.

In topic: Maybe, just maybe, Termina isn't a parallel dimension. I have a picture that I plan to upload to my computer later. It is a picture of my tv screen showing a scene in the game were a Goron stated something along the lines of "Dodogo's Cavern's best rock sirloin." I know you all are not idiots, but if you needed a reminder, Dodogo's Cavern is in Hyrule. Which must mean one of two things,

A) Termina is linked to Hyrule by land

B)Termina isn't liked to Hyrule by land, but it is liked to Hyrule by a portal that many people probably know about, because people bring rock sirloins through the portal.

Also, if you want to use the excuse that all of the characters look to people from Ocarina of Time, I say that that was just Nintendo being to lazy to make new character designs.

Now you might think, well, what about Dampe, Flat and Sharp. Well, here is my answer. Maybe Flat and Sharp composed for several royal families. Then you might ask why  are they wondering around Ikana. Is the idea that spirits can roam where they choose good enough.

Now Dampe was the hardest to figure out. However, I eventually found a logical explanation. Perhaps, once young Link told Zelda about Ganadorf's plot, Ganadorf was arrested. Well, if that changed in the timeline, isn't it also logical that in this new timeline, Dampe decided to move out of Hyrule, and venture other lands. Perhaps he traveled to Termina, or maybe he fell though the portal. Either way, it is entirely logical.

If you propose a new idea to disprove mine, at least try to make sure that it would be easier to prove then mine. Because if yours would require more evidence that doesn't exist than mine does, than it is probably less likely to believe than mine. Thus, if you are only trying to make a theory to topple mine, you might not want to waste time posting it unless it is more feasible than mine, as I said. I am not discouraging you from posting, but I don't want you to end up wasting your time.  

Commodore Axilon

Quote from: Orpheousanew2nd on July 30, 2007, 09:17:14 PM
Off topic: I know this topic has been abandoned for ever, but I want to say my two cents on the matter.

In topic: Maybe, just maybe, Termina isn't a parallel dimension. I have a picture that I plan to upload to my computer later. It is a picture of my tv screen showing a scene in the game were a Goron stated something along the lines of "Dodogo's Cavern's best rock sirloin." I know you all are not idiots, but if you needed a reminder, Dodogo's Cavern is in Hyrule. Which must mean one of two things,

A) Termina is linked to Hyrule by land

B)Termina isn't liked to Hyrule by land, but it is liked to Hyrule by a portal that many people probably know about, because people bring rock sirloins through the portal.

Or maybe, just maybe, there's a place in Termina also called Dodongo's Cavern. Radical, isn't it?

QuoteAlso, if you want to use the excuse that all of the characters look to people from Ocarina of Time, I say that that was just Nintendo being to lazy to make new character designs.

First of all, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. And second of all, so what if it was? It's still there in the game. It's still part of it. You can't just magick away the fact that all these characters look identical to their OoT counterparts. So until we get a definitive statement from Nintendo saying that they reused the character models from OoT out of laziness/time constraints/etc./etc., Suspension of Disbelief doesn't allow it.

QuoteIf you propose a new idea to disprove mine, at least try to make sure that it would be easier to prove then mine. Because if yours would require more evidence that doesn't exist than mine does, than it is probably less likely to believe than mine. Thus, if you are only trying to make a theory to topple mine, you might not want to waste time posting it unless it is more feasible than mine, as I said. I am not discouraging you from posting, but I don't want you to end up wasting your time.

Yeah, don't flatter yourself, kid. Yours is the one that is more complicated and requires more evidence, ergo Occam's Razor favors mine.

Orpheousanew2nd

I find it more more unlikely that there is a place in Termina called Dodongo's Cavern. I mean, none of the other places from Termina share the same name as places from OoT. So, why should there be a place in Termina called Dodongo's Cavern? Ok, maybe the character designs being the same wasn't from any lame excuse, but still, just because they look the same doesn't mean it is a parallel dimension. I think somebody had a theory that maybe, they admired people in Hyrule fashions.

Which would explain the same clothes. The theory that Termina isn't a parallel dimension would also explain the Hylian Shield. Of course, people in Termina, or at least Ikana, knew of the Triforce. Which means that they believe in it's power. After all, when the Stone Tower is inverted, the blocks that lead to the entrance of the dungeon have the Triforce on them. They must know of the legend of the Triforce as well. However, lasted time I checked, the Triforce was a legend that was passed down through Hyrule, and that it is kept in the Sacred Realm. Thus, there is almost no way that Termina is a parallel dimension.

MagmarFire

Quote from: Orpheousanew2nd on July 31, 2007, 09:46:29 AM
I find it more more unlikely that there is a place in Termina called Dodongo's Cavern. I mean, none of the other places from Termina share the same name as places from OoT. So, why should there be a place in Termina called Dodongo's Cavern?

Who is to say that Link visited all of the places in Termina while he was there? How do you know that there wasn't another town that he didn't visit? Hey, for all we know, Dodongo's Cavern could be on an unreachable ledge in Great Bay or high up in the mountains of Snowhead.



Advanceshipping and Rion had better be Chuck Norris approved.

Orpheousanew2nd

I agree with you completely. However, if there was a place called Dodongos' Cavern somewhere in Termina, don't you find it likely that other places would share Hyrulian names, and that Link was bound to run into one of those places in his quest. However, it is possible that Hyrule is linked to Termina through Dodongo's Cavern as well. After all, Termina could sit to the north of OoT Hyrule, and Dodongo's Cavern is somewhere in the swamps. But that would prove that they are linked by land.

Commodore Axilon

Quote from: Orpheousanew2nd on July 31, 2007, 09:46:29 AM
I find it more more unlikely that there is a place in Termina called Dodongo's Cavern. I mean, none of the other places from Termina share the same name as places from OoT. So, why should there be a place in Termina called Dodongo's Cavern?

Because there are dodongos in Termina? Because dodongos like to live in caves? It doesn't seem like it'd be that unlikely a name.

QuoteOk, maybe the character designs being the same wasn't from any lame excuse, but still, just because they look the same doesn't mean it is a parallel dimension. I think somebody had a theory that maybe, they admired people in Hyrule fashions.

And they all had plastic surgery to look just like random people in Hyrule?

QuoteWhich would explain the same clothes. The theory that Termina isn't a parallel dimension would also explain the Hylian Shield. Of course, people in Termina, or at least Ikana, knew of the Triforce. Which means that they believe in it's power. After all, when the Stone Tower is inverted, the blocks that lead to the entrance of the dungeon have the Triforce on them. They must know of the legend of the Triforce as well. However, lasted time I checked, the Triforce was a legend that was passed down through Hyrule, and that it is kept in the Sacred Realm. Thus, there is almost no way that Termina is a parallel dimension.

Linka

It's not that uncommon a symbol. Three equilateral triangles arranged in way as to form another equilateral triangle wouldn't be that hard to come across. It could mean many different spiritual, political, social, etc. ad nauseum things.

Orpheousanew2nd

I give up. I am not scratching my theory, but it isn't worth constantly defending. I am still keeping it. Wait, what proof do you have that makes it a parallel dimension? Anyone?

Commodore Axilon

What proof do you have that it isn't?

But seriously, I suppose you have a reasonable explanation as to the resident's looking virtually identical?

Orpheousanew2nd

I had a reasonable explanation, Nintendo decided not to make new character design. How can you disprove that they didn't?

Commodore Axilon

And how does that excuse them from being virtually identical from an in-universe perspective? Like I said, they still look that way no matter what. Does it really matter why they look that way?

Orpheousanew2nd

If you had an identical twin sibling, does that mean that you one of you is from a parallel world. I am not saying that each person in Majora's Mask is an identical twin, but just because they look the same as other people doesn't make it a parallel universe. And yes, it does matter why they look that way.