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About that Hero's Shade...

Started by MasterKeyX, February 04, 2007, 10:16:08 AM

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Bboy94

ZOMG, different haircut. Look at AoL or LttP Link, they have tottally different hairstyles from the rest.

Eralk Fang

You're using the same hair color and clothing to qualify the Hero of Men as a Link. Using facial hair and different head accessories (all the Links wear pointy hats, after all) to disqualify him as a Link is no different.

The various Links have similar hairstyles (they all have the same shaggy bangs), if different hair colors. Can't expect them to stay that blond forever, you know?

A point for the Gustaf as Hero of Men camp; the prologue of The Minish Cap specifically notes he drove out the darkness with "wisdom and courage". Okay, most battle heroes are going to be considered to have courage. However, they specifically state "wisdom". Bboy94's idea that the Hero of Men is a Link makes him a Triforce bearer, specifically of Courage. However, the Royal Family is always linked with the Triforce of Wisdom, specifically though its female members. Could Gustaf, as the Hero of Men, be the first male bearer of the Triforce of Wisdom? A sort of Kwisatz Haderach, if you will, of the Hylian Royal Family?

Bboy94

Well Link had both wisdom and power in AoL(and the end of LoZ).

So he could be either a hero or not, we can't determine it, we can't tell, for now(but who else wears a green tunic).

Fishalicious

Quote from: Bboy94 on March 24, 2007, 06:15:09 PM
(but who else wears a green tunic).

... Uh, well, seeing as how tunics are just a clothing item, and a lot of people wear them in Zelda... It's possible that one of them decided, "Hey, I feel like wearing green today!"

I mean, I seriously doubt if it's like... against the law to wear the same colour as the Hero of Time/Wind. owo At the beginning of Windwaker, it says that people on Outset traditionally garb their male children in green when they come of age. That means Orca, Sturgeon, Abe... They all wore green tunics at tWW Link's age. They aren't heroes. They wore green tunics.

Bboy94

Yes, but everyone also comments on how wierd it is to wear it.

Fishalicious

Quote from: Bboy94 on March 24, 2007, 07:00:12 PM
Yes, but everyone also comments on how wierd it is to wear it.

That's because in tWW, no one wore tunics anymore, they graduated to lobster jammies. o: I'm sure it was totally okay back in OoT time or whenever. Also, Purlo wears a green shirt. I can't remember if it's a tunic or not, though.... (probably not)

Bboy94

Purlo dresses like Tingle though.

Eralk Fang

Within the world of the game, though, Purlo doesn't dress like Tingle. He just dresses like himself. Green's a common color.

Bboy94

Have you ever seen anyone(other than Link) wearing a green tunic in Zelda though.

Eralk Fang

The entire Kokiri race, anyone?

There's distinctive clothing and then there's just colors. Zelda's royal gowns are all designed pretty much along the same lines, no matter which Zelda we're talking about. Seeing an unnamed female character in clothes along the same lines (pink gown, tabard with royal crest, the gold shoulder pads and circlet) would give us reason to assume that this hypothetical female character may be part of the Hylian Royal Family- she's got the crest and distinctive jewelry. Link's clothes are nowhere near as distinctive.

Tunics are fairly common in Zelda; they're common enough to be trade items between races that don't wear clothing and races that do.

Evilslayer

QuoteA point for the Gustaf as Hero of Men camp; the prologue of The Minish Cap specifically notes he drove out the darkness with "wisdom and courage".

In the whole Zelda series that description is used ONLY for Link. Zelda is Wisdom and Ganon is Power. Link is the only one who's ever been described as mastering two virtues.

Commodore Axilon

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QuoteA point for the Gustaf as Hero of Men camp; the prologue of The Minish Cap specifically notes he drove out the darkness with "wisdom and courage".

Ah yes, because other people can't have wisdom or courage, two intangible items that I suppose anyone can have given the right mindset, because it must be referring to the Triforce.

Edited to make sure there was no confusion as to whom the post was directed.

Eralk Fang

Evilslayer; to tweak the phrase, descriptions do not make the man. Various characters are described as wise other than Zelda, powerful other than Ganondorf, and courageous other than Link. Possessing these qualities of wisdom and courage do not make them a Triforce bearer (as Commodore Axilon reminds me) or a specific person.

Commodore Axilon, I'm not saying that it means, without a doubt, that the Hero of Men was gifted with a Triforce piece. There is scant evidence for the case that Gustaf is the Hero of Men; working backwards with that goal in mind, that particular example pops out, with the Royal Family's connection to the Triforce of Wisdom, thereby, the virtue of wisdom. He may not have had the specific Triforce of Wisdom, but Hyrule seems to value wisdom in their rulers. Of course, that links back to anyone at all capable of having wisdom. That's the problem with the case for Gustaf as the Hero of Men: there's just no evidence for or against.

I don't think the Hero of Men is a Link. I'd like to be able to prove without a doubt it was King Gustaf, but there is simply not enough evidence for or against it to make any definitive conclusion. We may never learn his identity.

Bboy94

Quote from: Eralk Fang on March 25, 2007, 10:26:16 AM
The entire Kokiri race, anyone?

There's distinctive clothing and then there's just colors. Zelda's royal gowns are all designed pretty much along the same lines, no matter which Zelda we're talking about. Seeing an unnamed female character in clothes along the same lines (pink gown, tabard with royal crest, the gold shoulder pads and circlet) would give us reason to assume that this hypothetical female character may be part of the Hylian Royal Family- she's got the crest and distinctive jewelry. Link's clothes are nowhere near as distinctive.

Tunics are fairly common in Zelda; they're common enough to be trade items between races that don't wear clothing and races that do.
How specific must I be?

Have you ever seen any Hylian/Human(other than Link) wearing a green tunic in Zelda though.

Eralk Fang

Specific enough to make me think that if I dress like George Sand, I must be her!

The tradition of the Hero's clothes stems from the Hero of Time's Kokiri heritage, making the Kokiri point just as valid.

And let's see... who wears lots of green in tunic-like fashions?

Guard from A Link to the Past:
http://www.thehylia.com/media/albums/images/alttp/characters_6.jpg

Old guy from Oracle of Seasons/Ages:
http://www.thehylia.com/media/albums/images/ooa/z07_13_big.jpg

This guy from Link's Awakening:
http://www.thehylia.com/media/displayimage.php?album=29&pos=3