OOT is first and proof

[Mysterious F.]

OOT is first for the following reasons:

1)This is the first game after Ganon's birth. (or at least the first one with his FSA reincarnation)

2)It has never been stated that Ganon had never been affecting the past before, because in all other games with Ganon, and not something in the form of Ganon, I mean the real thing, it does. (LOZ and AOL, LTTP, Oracles, TWW, FSA, and TP)

3) The pig thing is currently Ganon's true form because he lost the Triforce when he died in TWW, he lost the power to keep himself in human form in the Dark World, (which he's been in at least twice after that, FSA and LTTP) and transformed permanently into that pig thing. He might have been searching for the Moon Pearl as well to get back his human form and had his alter ego Agahnim search for it. And alter ego means another personality. If you ask me, here used it means his disguise.

4)Miyamoto has stated before that OOT was first in between the release of MM and TWW when he gave a Zelda timeline. Of course, though, this was before TWW and TP, among other games, came out, so it might have changed.

All that's left is whether or not MC came before or after the flood to prove it. That's impossible unless another game with the Four Sword comes out.

[Commodore Axilon]

All that's left is whether or not MC came before or after the flood to prove it. That's impossible unless another game with the Four Sword comes out.

It can't be in Old Hyrule and here's why: the Four Sword appears in TMC, disappears for a couple hundred (thousand?) years, somehow survives the flood, and then reappears in New Hyrule without any explanation whatsoever.

Do you think that makes any sense?

...Unless you believe the Four Swords games also came before OoT, which is patently ridiculous.

Edit: Scratch that. It's not patently ridiculous. Just highly improbable.

[Fairy penguin]

Highly improbable?!?! My timeline HAS TMC, FS, and FSA coming WAY before Ocarina. It actually makes sense, if you think about it.

[Commodore Axilon]

1. There was the fact that Ganon was referred to as "ancient demon reborn" in FSA. That very strongly hints that this would come after games in which he's previously been in.

2. The six sages in FSA are almost identical to the ones in ALttP, i.e. all Hylian. The sages in OoT were of myriad different races. Unless some radical change to the sages happened here, I'm betting FSA came after OoT, preferably after the Great Flood.

3. Where was the Master Sword in all of this? If it came before OoT surely it would've been at least mentioned as a possibility to defeat Ganon, being the Blade of Evil's Bane and all.

4. The Four Sword actually appears in ALttP (GBA version, which I think takes higher canonical priority), which is generally assumed to take place after the Great Flood. And if you think ALttP came before the Great Flood that brings up all kinds of continuity problems.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I bet if I really thought about it, I could come up with a bunch more.

Have at me.

[wiizard]

if you read carefully some topics about MC being first probably you should realize it is true, just see the video I had mentioned like 3 times, it is really useful for a theory like this one, the link is in another topic of mc being first

[Commodore Axilon]

I think I can make up my own mind, thank you very much. People telling me it's right isn't gonna change my mind if I don't think it's right. I haven't seen any convincing argument for it yet. And yes I have see the video.

[Mysterious F.]

Also, the FSA map was made to specifically resemble the LTTP map.

And yeah, the sword cannot just reappear out of nowhere like that. And it WAS'NT moved in it's history except when a Link removes it. Proof:

*We don't see it, but there is high evidence that when the Minish Door opened again, someone put the sword back, because Link didn't put it back before the door closed in MC.

*In FS, during the intro, we can see the Four Elements from MC just before the Four Sword pedestal. They were locked in the Pedestal Place when the door closed in MC.

*FSA map almost entirely resembles LTTP map.

*In the GBA remake of LTTP, there is an optional dungeon on Ganon's Pyramid. If you beet both LTTP and FS, you can enter it. I haven't beaten FS, (or played it, for that matter) so I can't tell you what's inside.

*Ganon was mentioned as an evil spirit reborn in FSA.

This is all proof, along with that in the first post, that MC is after OOT, but possibly before the Flood, yet unlikely.

[wiizard]

This is a really interesting confusing   theory, and commodore just want a help with the video, no need to get mad

[Evilslayer]

1. That's never been stated. In OoT he just appear one day and tries to break into the Golden Land. And by claiming that Nintendo would limit themselves like that immediately puts you on the losing side.

2. ?

3. You're speculating now. And alter ego was a mistranslation.

4. He also stated at one point that TWW comes before OoT. True story!

NP: Where does the latest Zelda game fall into the series' mythology? Early in the series or after Majora's Mask?

Miyamoto: This is the very first Zelda story. If all we ever did was try to continue the story, we'd lose some of the interest. It's fun to jump back and forth.

http://www.miyamotoshrine.com/theman/interviews/0702.shtml

Do you believe that LoZ and AoL comes before ALttP? Because if you don't then you're being a hypocrate, because that's the order he gave in the interview you mentioned.

2. The six sages in FSA are almost identical to the ones in ALttP, i.e. all Hylian. The sages in OoT were of myriad different races. Unless some radical change to the sages happened here, I'm betting FSA came after OoT, preferably after the Great Flood.

The six Sages aren't in FSA. Instead, it's a group of maidens that has nothing to do with them. Also, unless you're a splittist and believe that ALttP is in the Adult timeline the Sages from the Seal War cannot under any circumstances be the ones mentioned in ALttP.

That is, if OoT even is in the same era. I believe it's closer to TP, and the 'execution' scene takes place right after the war.

[Commodore Axilon]

The six Sages aren't in FSA. Instead, it's a group of maidens that has nothing to do with them.

Yeah, and the fact that they're virtually identical means nothing, right? I think it's pretty obvious what they're supposed to be.

Also, unless you're a splittist and believe that ALttP is in the Adult timeline the Sages from the Seal War cannot under any circumstances be the ones mentioned in ALttP.

Because stories told over thousands of years remain exactly the same. am i rite

[Evilslayer]

I meant OoT.V_V

Yeah, and the fact that they're virtually identical means nothing, right? I think it's pretty obvious what they're supposed to be.

Identical? I don't get where you get that from. Besides, the maidens in ALttP are merely descendants of the Sages. With the exception of Zelda they're all just ordinary girls. One of the maidens even say that they don't have the powers of their ancestors.

[Mysterious F.]

NP: Where does the latest Zelda game fall into the series' mythology? Early in the series or after Majora's Mask?

Miyamoto: This is the very first Zelda story. If all we ever did was try to continue the story, we'd lose some of the interest. It's fun to jump back and forth.

How is that possible? It clearly mentions in OOT that Link is the Hero of Time. If TWW comes first, then...

Also, in the Master Sword chamber, the pictures of the sages from OOT are on the stained glass. I don't think they are just paintings. And it also mentions that The Heros of Time went to a new land. Ummm, MM, anybody?

I think Miyamoto was just joking. It is impossible for TWW to come first.

[wiizard]

and from the fact that the four sword was discovered many time after it's role in the minish cap, it makes sense because if it was removed from it's pedestal vaati would be free, the four sword was  hidden in hyrule castle and only zelda and the maidens new about it in the four sword adventures or the fsa takes places in one of the 100 years the portal is opened to the minish world

[Mysterious F.]

Ummmm, yeaaaahhhhh.

That was confusing, you didn't even state what you were talknig about. Please elaborate.

[Evilslayer]

How is that possible? It clearly mentions in OOT that Link is the Hero of Time. If TWW comes first, then...

Also, in the Master Sword chamber, the pictures of the sages from OOT are on the stained glass. I don't think they are just paintings. And it also mentions that The Heros of Time went to a new land. Ummm, MM, anybody?

1. It's not impossible that there are more Heros of Time.

2. Those pictures may not have been added yet when Miyamoto said that TWW is before OoT.

I think Miyamoto was just joking. It is impossible for TWW to come first.

NP: Where does the latest Zelda game fall into the series' mythology? Early in the series or after Majora's Mask?

Miyamoto: This is the very first Zelda story. If all we ever did was try to continue the story, we'd lose some of the interest. It's fun to jump back and forth.

http://www.miyamotoshrine.com/theman/interviews/0702.shtml

I don't think that looks like joking.