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Ganon has a thing for eyes

Started by Mysterious F., February 20, 2007, 04:50:04 PM

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Mysterious F.

Well, yes, he does. We've seen the symbol a few times, like Agahnim's robe and some suits of armor in TP's Hyrule Castle. They don't look like Vaati's eye, of course, and the Sheikah, probably not. Plus, why would Ganon decorate his lairs and cohorts with enemy symbols? It just proves he has some sort of eye thing.

alex

aren't eyes like the signature of a sheika?

Eralk Fang

#2
Specifically, the Sheikah symbol is a red crying eye. It's not the same as the eye Akatsuki is talking about; it's a stylized eye with a fleur de lis-like pattern below and above it.

It could be mocking the significance of the eye in the usual symbolism of it (Eye of Truth, eyes are the window to the soul), or Ganondorf could be collecting symbols.

Commodore Axilon

#3
I'm sure that's just Agahnim's robe and has no connection to Ganon whatsoever.

Edit: Wait, wasn't that the "Eye of the Cataclysm?" I don't know what that means, or if it means anything, but does it have anything to do with Ganon?

And in TP, Ganondorf hasn't exactly been in Hyrule Castle for long by the time you get to it; I doubt he had time to redecorate.

Mysterious F.

You doubt how long it takes in the Zelda world for the game to complete. It's usually up to a month for the good players who like to get everything in the game quickly. The world moves quickly in Zelda, Commodore, and in a month I think he'd have enough time to get some redecorating, like replacing armor with ones that have eyes on them.

Evahn

Would Ganondorf really go and redecorate only the suits of armor?

Eralk Fang

If you agree with me that A Link to the Past is set way after Twilight Princess (covering my butt in case we have any timeline extremists!), perhaps this symbol is completely independent of Ganondorf. It's a symbol used to denote some connection to the Royal Family or some status, hence its use on suits of armor. Later on, Agahnim uses it due to his status as advisor.

Mysterious F.

I think that it was on before than. We've seen Ganon have many eye references (including a boss Ganon created that's just a giant eye-boll surrounded by tinnier ones) in the series, and there is never a time when Ganon's interests (outside of destruction and stuff) are explained, and seeing all these eyes everywhere, it is safe to assume that he likes eyes.

Commodore Axilon

Does Ganon actually create the bosses though? Or are they just big, nasty monsters he "recruits?"

And where are these "many" eye references. I'd like to see them, please.

Mysterious F.

Okay:

LOZ:
Gohma

LTTP:
Eye of Cataclysm
Agahnim's (Ganon's alter ego/disguise) shirt
Second Bos in the Second Dark World dungeon
The boss in the sixth Dark World dungeon

LA:
Finla Nightmare's final form

OOT:
Gohma
Sheikah eye

Oracles:
Gohma
Dgidogger
That fourth boss in Ages
The Great Moblin, after destroynig his house in OOS a      
  few times, goes "An eye for an eye." It's ironic because
  he remebles Ganon

TWW:
Gohma
Shields in headquarters

FSA:
Small, Gohmites walking around forests and stuff

MC:
Vaati tranforms into an eye

TP:
Gohma
Suits of Armor in first Darknut room

Not all of these are necessarily related, but could be.

Eralk Fang

#10
Let's see what we can weed out and find what Ganondorf actually has a hand in.

With Gohma and other various bosses, I don't think that has any significance. I don't think Ganondorf would select things to stop Link on their looks, but rather what they can do.

The Sheikah symbol (Which is the symbol on the shields is in The Wind Waker) is out. The Sheikah are described as fiercely loyal to the Hylian Royal Family, so why would they be involved with Ganondorf?

And Vaati's final form developed independently of Ganondorf in The Minish Cap, so no connection there.

I'm throwing the Great Moblin straight out because it's a common phrase, not a symbol.

This leaves us with A Link To The Past references, where this particular eye symbol that could have links to Ganondorf first pops up, and the suits of armor from Twilight Princess.

I'd like to see a screenshot of these suits of armor, in order to compare their symbol against Agahnim's symbol.

Mysterious F.

I'm sorry, but I don't know how. If you have gotten into the castle (not the courtyard in the dungeon) and beaten the one single Iron Knuckle, than look at the armor next to the chest and you'll see the eye.

I think other cases of armor could have these, like the ones in the ice dungeon destroyable with the Ball and Chain.

Eralk Fang

#12
Hmm. I'll see what I can do with YouTube.

EDIT: The only footage I can find dealing with that area of the game is The Hylia's visual guide, which doesn't help. Akatsuki, is this the room that requires the Gale Boomerang to get near the chest? I can get a screenshot.

RETURN OF THE EDIT: Oh, boy. This is why we check our facts, kids!

The symbol found on destroyable suits of armor is not Agahnim's Eye (as I will now refer to that symbol), but a stylized version of the Hylian Royal Crest.

Observe!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/eralkfang/ZeldaArmor.jpg

Eh, a little blurry, but you can make it out.

Akatsuki, you probably thought the bird's wing span and its tail made up Agahnim's Eye.

Mysterious F.

No, only the hole in between metal parts, which was eye shaped.

Well, that changes a few things.

Still, we have no known hobies or interests of Ganon, it would be nice for him to have one or two.

Eralk Fang

Yeah, that's just a gap.

Well, the truly evil rarely have hobbies. On Heroes, Sylar doesn't have a hobby (except hanging out with Indian geneticists).