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This is DEFINETLY surprising!

Started by Mysterious F., March 07, 2007, 02:30:05 PM

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Mysterious F.

http://www.thehylia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1173298152&archive=&start_from=&ucat=19&

So, TWW takes place in the Adult OOT world, while TP in the Child OOT world. That changes everything, doesn't it?

Bboy94

I don't trust Nintendo anymore. There may be a timeline, but Nintendo doesn't have one. And Zelda gets a lot more attention disscussing an official timeline. :-*

Commodore Axilon

#2
If I may quote myself:

Quote from: Commodore Axilon on March 07, 2007, 01:00:28 PM
He also apparently thinks TP/TWW takes place around a hundred years after OoT. So sorry if I don't take what he says seriously.

And I also agree with Bboy94 in that there is no master timeline. The games just don't make any sense together. You have to really warp and twist the games to get any kind of plausible timeline.

So either there isn't a master timeline, or Nintendo are a bunch of idiots.

DW

or we are just too stupid to figure out the real one...
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Mysterious F.

Okay, so we know which games are tied together, it is like this:

LOZ/AOL
LTTP/LA (Yes, according to the manual, it's LTTP Link)
OOT/MM
OOS/OOA
TWW/PH

It is most likely FSA Link is LTTP Link, while possible MC is Oracle Link. TP takes place in another dimension, so does TWW. LTTP is after the original two. It is not known whether or not LTTP is in TWW's dimension or not.

Also, it has been stated there is an official timeline, and they take every little detail into matter when creating a new game.

Eralk Fang

Some of the people with more weight in the Zelda team have referred to a master timeline, supposedly under lock and key somewhere.

Not every little detail; otherwise we wouldn't have traces of distinctly Hyrule things in Majora's Mask. The best way I've heard it described is that the games are made "gameplay first, storyline second". I think it explains quite a lot.

This is definitely going to shake up some timelines!

Evilslayer

QuoteAnd I also agree with Bboy94 in that there is no master timeline. The games just don't make any sense together. You have to really warp and twist the games to get any kind of plausible timeline.

No, because most of the real errors are mistranslations. If you really go into it you can make them connect in more ways than one.

QuoteSuperplay: How do the Zelda games timelines link together? Is there any connection between the different games, or do you take tell us a new Zelda story each time?

Shigeru Miyamoto: For every Zelda game we tell a new story, but we actually have an enormous document that explains how the game relates to the others, and bind them together. But to be honest, they are not that important to us. We care more about developing the game system... give the player new challenges for every chapter that is born.

http://www.miyamotoshrine.com/theman/interviews/230403.shtml

The Master Timeline exists. There's no sense in denying it.

Commodore Axilon

Quote from: Evilslayer on March 09, 2007, 11:12:08 AM
No, because most of the real errors are mistranslations. If you really go into it you can make them connect in more ways than one.

Even if that were true. Not all of the inconsistencies are to be blamed on translation errors, are they? This seems like a very convenient excuse. Find something you don't like, "ZOMG translation errorz!!!!11!!1!oneone!!1"

QuoteThe Master Timeline exists. There's no sense in denying it.

Because the games themselves are secondary am i rite.

Mysterious F.

#8
The Oracles are Ganon's death, body-wise, that is. Ganon would have to be first, though. I doubt they would have Ganon reborn EVERY game. FSA states Ganon is an ancient monster reborn, so there's proof it isn't before OOT. FSA map also resembles LTTP map nearly almost perfectly. LA Link has been stated in the manual to be LTTP Link. LTTP is after the original two. I doubt every Oracle would look the same, so the Oracles are with MC. The Light Force has been stated to be seperate from the Triforce, but whether or not this meens that it is the missing piece for the upside-down hole is unknown. (probably not, though) This is an approximate timeline:

OOT -

Child/MM - TP

Adult - TWW/PH - MC - Oracles - Original Two - FS/FSA - LTTP/LA

I think the FS Hyrule is the New Hyrule founded after TWW. If so, then all games besides those stated to be with Child Link's world fit here. I now is clear the time/universe MC or LTTP proven to be in will put all games besides those proven to be from the other universe/time will fit there too.

It seems more possible that the Minish are from a new world rather than appearing out of nowhere. Also, I think that the war LTTP references to is the one in late OOT, because Ganon was sealed into the Sacred Realm. The SR had little or no references at all in TP. It has been stated and proven that both the Twilight Realm is not the Sacred Realm AND that the Dark World is the Sacred Realm. It seems Ganon died in TP. Ganon's body was stone in TWW, his spirit lived.

MC, because the Minish wouldn't suddenly appear after another game, which proves that MC is after TWW if you believe it isn't before OOT. Vaati sealed in Four Sword.

Oracles; Twinrova RESURRECTED Ganon, not released him. Without Zelda, his spirit was still flying around, though. His body dies. The Master Sword you can get in the password system is the one in LTTP. It wasn't made like the original sword, so it didn't have as much power. He brings it back with him to Hyrule. It is placed in a forest, but is almost forgotten over time. The old man in LOZ finds it eventually.

Then the whole thing with the wizard mentioned in AOL. I feel the wizard was part of Ganon's soul reborn into his alter ego: Agahnim. Yes, he's an alter ego, or split personality to be simple. Possessing the boy, he killed Zelda. The Courage piece disappeared, but Power came to him. Ganon repossessed his alter ego, and didn't use him for a while, but used the body as a reborn spirit. The alter ego melted into Ganon's mind, and became trapped in him, but not collided with him.

LOZ, AOL. He dies. The sword the waterfall elder guy gives you is the sword, but still without much power. When Link finds a new one, he discarded it and this new one became the new Master Sword. It becomes treasured. The Triforce is once again reconnected for the first time since the prince guy's farther dies. It is placed in the Sacred Realm.

Reborn in FSA, a little after FS. Sealed in Four Sword.

Released Agahnim into real world eventually after a long time because he forgot about him. He caused some trouble, and secretly moved the Four Sword into the Sacred Realm. I doubt they would add that there in the GBA version just for entertainment. Ganon got free besause the seal keeping him in the sword was on the sword's mantle thing they stuck it in, not the sword itself. Then LTTP happens. Alter Ego, which turns out to be housing Ganon until he is ready to be a real body again, dies. Ganon, who wanted to go human again, turns back to pig. Big fight. Ganon dies. Then LA. THE END.

Possible, is it?

Evilslayer

QuoteBecause the games themselves are secondary am i rite.

Did you even bother clicking on the link?<_<

Commodore Axilon

#10
Yes, and their timeline seems to change every time a new game is released. Curious, no?

Edit: And here's my answer:

QuoteShigeru Miyamoto: For every Zelda game we tell a new story, but we actually have an enormous document that explains how the game relates to the others, and bind them together. But to be honest, they are not that important to us. We care more about developing the game system... give the player new challenges for every chapter that is born.

If there is a master timeline, they apparently don't even care about following it.

Mysterious F.

I care alot about making the timeline, your assumption was completely wrong. The better thing to say would have been:

We care more about enjoying the games and their challenges, but several people also care about the timeline.

LadyNintendo

Why the **** (pardon me) keep people using the oracles as an argument to put TMC and OOx together? Malon appeared in I don't care how many games, and every time is someone else. Link appeared in every games, always looks the same and always is someone different. Same for Zelda. Then there's Tingle who also gets recycled multiple times. The HMS, Mutoh, King Zora, Anju, etc.

So why, in Din's name, would the oracles follow a different pattern?

Mysterious F.

Ooh, didn't think of that. The Oracles look EXACTLY the same. The only other games that follow the exception are FS and FSA, and then later TMC. This is due to the graphics in the game they look similar. Plus, I doubt EVERY Oracle would look exactly the same. (every feature was there) Also, MC seems like a very good place to put it. Also, in the pamphlet that comes with MC, the picture of Zelda has the Triforce on her dress, PROOF that the Triforce existed in Hyrule. If they aren't together, than the only thing my timeline would change by is that MC would be befroe the Oracles, NOT togehter with them.

Master Dragmire

The Oracles have the same names because they are named after the Goddesses.