Virginia tech Shooting

[JDog]

Guns are nothing but trouble, it seems everytime someone has one, someone ends up dying.

[DW]

Mkay, let's just not give the army any guns. Seriously, I go with Chappelle on this--make guns easy to get, make bullets hecka expensive.

[violinist]

A man saved his students in the shooting. I found out yesterday. And, yes, it is awful.

[Hi no Seijin]

I have a better idea:  let's outlaw anything that can be a weapon.

Oh wait.  The human body itself can be a weapon.

The right to own arms is a sticky situation.  Certainly, people can easily buy a gun and then go kill someone with it, but there are many others who buy a gun solely for self-defense, hoping that they will never need to use it.  Drawing the line may be easy, but it's hard to enforce that line when it's laid.

[darkphantomime]

Since when does 'self defense' include owning a weapon that can easily kill dozens quickly?

I think the guy used a semi-automatic... Guns of excessive power should be outlawed except for the military and Police.

When I say 'excessive power',  I mean the fact that X amount of rounds can be fired in one minute. Since when does a hunter need a semi-automatic or an automatic?

[JDog]

Yes, protection is fine, but when it comes to shooting someone you've never met in your life for no odd reason is not fine, but shooting someone either way is not fine.

[MagmarFire]

Not to mention that the meaning behind the Second Amendment is a debate in itself. I guess that's one good reason why the laws regarding weaponry can be so tricky to enforce. :-*

He's in hell right now regretting everything he did.

We don't really know that, although it doesn't entirely matter in this massacre anyway. I do understand yours (and millions of others') anger in this, ZV; it's EXTREMELY understandable for you to say that. I don't really blame you, in fact. We just don't know the unknown. (Sorry for getting philosophical on you. ;) )

However, a major part of what REALLY matters is remembering those who were lost in this tragedy and try to take pains to prevent another one like this from happening again.

[JDog]

I agree, and he just broke one of the ten commandments by killing many random people, cause god said thou shall not kill. So yeah, he probably is in hell, but if he asked forgiveness, which I doubt it cause he was probably happy with what he did, he might have been forgiven, and went to heaven, but I doubt he even had time to ask forgiveness cause he pretty much killed himself after it all happened, what a weirdo/nutcase that guy was.

[DW]

It said he wasn't Christian...they found an eight page paper in his backpack, and part of it talked about his religious doubts. So I think he's in hell...

[collaboration]

It kind of pisses me off that somebody would do that! It's like, "who the hell do you think you are?" and I'd like to strangle him. But I imagine there are hundreds of people like that, thinking the same way about him, and I think that's why he killed himself. He realized, oops, I'm an asshole, I can't get away with this on a number of levels. Unless he did it ceremoniously, which makes sense because there was rumour out that he had been planning it.
I heard among the people shot and killed were a holocaust survivor and a leading prosthetical engineer. It's awful that ANYONE should die, and I wouldn't place a ranking system on the value of people's lives, but I'd say it's a loss also to the historical community and the medical/engineering community to have prominent figures killed. --Not to mention the students who were or would have been great after their schooling was complete.

Wow, you guys didn't waste any time jumping into the second amendment debate, did you? I think I'll, uh, wait on that one.

[Gamefreak]

I concur with collaboration.  It wouldn't be very smart to start a second ammendment debate right now.  This is a topic to mourn for those who have died or have lost loved ones.

[DW]

Yes..and no, he didn't shoot himself because he thought he would get in trouble. That paper they found in his backpack pretty much proved he expected to die. The one thing I wonder though, is what Ismail Ax meant? It was written in blood on his arm....unless it was one of his characters from his twisted stories...

[darkphantomime]

The story of Abraham sacrificing his son to God. Abraham had two sons; Isaac, the one who is well known to take the sacrificial role, and Ishmael, who under other traditions is thought to be the sacrificed one. The object used to kill is in some stories, a knife, and other stories, an Ax.

DOes that clear anything up?

He's taking the lesser believed version of the story...

[DW]

New information, apparenlty in between the two shootings he mailed a package to NBC with pictures of him with weapons and a CD of him saying he was going to get even with rich people...

[Master Dragmire]

Please leave religion out of this. Trust me. It always turns into arguments. (don't take it offensively)

I was recently released that the guy had had mental issues in the past, and was known to be a stalker, and the dumbsh*ts at the gun shop sold him a gun.
Has anyone seen the episode of Pen and Teller:BS! on Gun Control? It is very informative (and hilarious).
Lets face it. Gun Control is a lie.