Timeline Proposal

[renado128]

Hello, I am new to the forums. I have been developing a timeline theory off and on for about a month now, and I am in need of assistance (corrections, others' opinions, etc.). So, without further ado, here is my theory:
                                  TMC
                                    |
                                   FS
                                    |
                                  OOT
                              ____|____
Edit: MM goes here->|             |
                            FSA        ALTTP
                             |             |
                            TP           LA
                             |             |
                        Oracles      TLOZ
                                           |
                                        TAOL
                                           |
                                         TWW
                                           |
                                          PH

I realize that Miyamoto stated that ALTTP came after TLOZ and TAOL, but it is assumed that he has become confused, and besides, Aonuma is the person concerned with the timeline now. Alternatively, TLOZ and TAOL could come between TP and the Oracles. If ALTTP occured very, very long after OOT, this would make Miyamoto's statement true, even if the games involved were in parallel universes. I also know that Ganon has to be somehow resurrected by the time of TLOZ, wherever it is.
Last of all is FSA, which I have never played. I do know that in this game, it is told how Ganondorf stole a trident and became Ganon. What I do not know is if, in the entire game, he is trapped in the "Dark World," which is actually the twilight realm, which might make this placement true. Many people place FSA before ALTTP because Ganon uses the trident in ALTTP as well, but Ganonondorf had become Ganon already before that game by stealing the triforce.
Any suggestions or criticism?

[Mysterious F.]

The Twilight Realm is something entirely different. The Dark World is the twisted form of the Sacred Realm, which was made the very moment the Triforce was also made. The Twilight Realm was made to seal the evil sorcerers who were trying to take the Triforce. Plus, there is only ONE entrance to the Twilight Realm: The Mirror of Twilight. This is a very large, human-sized mirror, not the hand-held mirror from LTTP. There are many entrances to the Sacred Realm, such as the Temple of Time and various other portals.

LTTP and LA are after LOZ and AOL. If the game designers said so, I don't care what other people think, it's true, because htey are the real Gods of Hyrule, they make everything something.

LTTP form Japan is completely different from the American version, and from what is in the original Japanese version made directly from the game designers, OOT is not the war mentioned in LTTP.

The Triforce was never mentioned at all in FSA, so therefore we have no idea whther or not Ganon has it. It is most likely that Ganon was reincarnated from his OOT/TWW/TP self in another form, so that he could live in a way besides a wondering spirit.

TWW and PH are only 100 something years from OOT, there's no way all fo the other games could happen in 100 years and the Great Flood.

You forgot FS, but then again it doesn't at all matter.

Both FSA and FS have the Four Sword, which is in the basement of Hyrule Castle according to MC. In FSA and FS it is in a special sanctuary, and the elements from MC are still there. Therefore, this would have had to happen after some destruction of Hyrule Castle, so that means that somewhere in between FSA/FS and the game before that Hyrule Castle was attacked. And also, FSA was made to look like the LTTP map.

[Commodore Axilon]

LTTP and LA are after LOZ and AOL. If the game designers said so, I don't care what other people think, it's true, because htey are the real Gods of Hyrule, they make everything something.

Despite the ridiculous things they've said? Despite that fact that Miyamoto himself said he doesn't really care about the timeline and only cares about making his games as enjoyable as possible?

LTTP form Japan is completely different from the American version, and from what is in the original Japanese version made directly from the game designers, OOT is not the war mentioned in LTTP.

Oh, but I thought what the game designers said was absolutely true!

And there's also the fact that they're so similar in so many ways that the fact they'd both happen by chance is improbable, to say the least.

TWW and PH are only 100 something years from OOT, there's no way all fo the other games could happen in 100 years and the Great Flood.

This is so incredibly preposterous I don't even know where to begin. There's no way in hell TWW took place only 100 years after OoT.

Edit: That's one of those ridiculous things they've said that doesn't really make any sort of sense whatsoever.

[Mysterious F.]

It doesn't matter, as long as the game designers say so, it's true.

[Evilslayer]

That was a mistranslation. It's very easy for a westerner to mix hundred and hundreds in Japanese, because the words are identical.

LTTP form Japan is completely different from the American version, and from what is in the original Japanese version made directly from the game designers, OOT is not the war mentioned in LTTP.

The only way OoT can't be the war mentioned in ALttP is if ALttP either is in the Adult Timeline or it doesn't split and Link remains in the future.

You seem to take everything the creators say as fact, but you ignore Aonuma's comment about what happens after Link returned to his own time. What do you think that "outrageous" thing Ganon did is? Also, remember that according to the Japanese version the Wise Men sealed off the "source of evil", not Ganon himself. Therefore it fits very well with the flashback scene in TP, which according to Aonuma is a few years later.

Anyway, there are some errors in the timeline this topic is about. FSA is, for example, a direct sequel to FS. That's pretty much stated in the intro to FSA.

I also think that TP should be in the same timeline as ALttP, as there are some obvious connections between the two. For one, there's the Master Sword and its place of rest. And what about Ganon? How did he end up in the Dark World if only his magick was sealed away? TP gives us the possible answer.

[Mysterious F.]

Well, it is quite clear that it splits, so therefore only the first one is possible.

The outraeous thing? If you could lend me that interview, I'd probably tell you. I seem to have forgotten where that was said.

And ofr your last paragraph, I owlud appretiate if you give one of your one-post very long explanations. I don't really understand if all you do is ask questions....

[Commodore Axilon]

It doesn't matter, as long as the game designers say so, it's true.

See, therein lies the problem. The game designers have also said that OoT is ALttP's backstory, yet you obviously don't believe that. Seems to me, you just like to pick and choose the facts you like and conveniently "forget" the other ones.

P.S Evilslayer, if "hundred" and "hundreds" are the same word, how do you know it was, in fact, the latter and not the former? Not that I don't believe you, I just find that odd is all.

And was the Aonuma quote stating that TP took place decades after OoT also a mistranslation? Because that's just as improbable.

[renado128]

Thank you everyone for the input, although now I am more confused than ever. And Gaara, Four Swords is in my timeline.
Evilslayer is correct, The Wind Waker occurs hundreds of years after the "adult" ending of OOT. This game also clearly references the Hero of Time and the events involving Ganon afterwards. But ALTTP (Japanese version) also seems to clearly reference Ganon's acquisition of the triforce and his banishment by seven sages to the sacred realm. Only one of these games can occur in the adult timeline immediately after OOT, so which one goes where? And I still have the issues with FSA.
So, right now, it looks like it could be:

                                 TMC
                                   |
                                   FS
                                   |
                                 OOT
                               ___|___
Edit: MM goes here ->|          |
                            TP       TWW
                             |          |
                            FSA       PH
                             |
                          ALTTP
                             |
                            LA
                             |
                          TLOZ
                             |
                          TAOL
                             |
                         Oracles

I realize I just completely changed this entire timeline... but my original version can't at all be true.

...somewhere in between FSA/FS and the game before that Hyrule Castle was attacked. And also, FSA was made to look like the LTTP map.

These are covered in this timeline. Ganon is called "an ancient demon reborn" in FSA, so he must be a reincarnation of his TP self. Ganondorf must have first stolen the Trident and then the Triforce in FSA and ALTTP, respectively.

FSA is, for example, a direct sequel to FS. That's pretty much stated in the intro to FSA.

There's no way I can see that allows this to happen, because we know that FS is second in the timeline from an interview with Aonuma, who is the only game designer I will trust right now. FSA can't come before OOT because Ganondorf is still a mortal in OOT, and he has no powerful trident.

Finally, I quote another person with views similar to mine, regarding TWW at least: Darken Poltergeist of Gamespot.

An often overlooked factor, yet a very important one, is geography. ALttP has VERY similar geography to both FSA and OoT. If you stretch it, you can even argue that LoZ has similarities as well. However, in order for this to be true, they would have to take place in the same Hyrule. TWW ruined all chances of this happening in the Adult timeline. At the end, Hyrule is washed away, its locations forgotten, and its legend disappeared. I refuse to believe that somehow, Link and Zelda manage to find a new land to be called Hyrule, with uncannily similar geography to the Hyrule of old, and with the same locations, to boot (Lake Hylia, Kakariko Village, etc.). Thus, any Zelda games that take place after TWW will NOT be in the same land. Thus, FSA, ALttP, and even LoZ cannot take place in this timeline. As far as the Adult Timeline goes, Hyrule is done. Its legend is no more. So, where does that place the games after OoT, then? Why, in the Child Timeline, of course, where Ganon was not sealed away, and thus no need for a deluge. Hyrule stays intact for the remainder of that timeline.

So TWW and PH are very likely the only games in the Adult Timeline.

[Commodore Axilon]

It seems to me that all your problems stem from the fact that you think TMC comes first. Just thought I'd point that out.

[renado128]

Eiji Aonuma:

EA:  The GBA Four Swords Zelda is what we're thinking as the oldest tale in the Zelda timeline.  With this one on the GameCube being a sequel to that, and taking place sometime after that.

Again, Aonuma is the only game designer I will trust right now.
Of course, there is no way to be 100% sure if Aonuma is telling the truth/knows what he is talking about here, but we know that TMC comes before FS because TMC provides the backstory for FS and FSA, and TMC also depicts the creation of the Four Sword. So TMC probably comes first.

Edit:
I forgot MM in both of those timelines. It should go immediately after OOT (Child ending).

[Mysterious F.]

Sorry Renado, but they actually make it extremely clear in FSA that FS was directly before it, and most likely has the same Link. Link freakin' knows Zelda, like he did in FS. They already explained things about the Four Sword.

Also, Phantom Ganon had a trident.

The timeline is very confusing if you think that MC comes first. FSA and FS clearly have the same Link, and the LTTP map resembles the FSA map very closely. LTTP is after OOT clearly, although....

Now I'm confused!   I can't think right now.

[Penguin dude 2]

What makes LttP after OoT so obvious?

[Commodore Axilon]

Maybe because ALttP's backstory and OoT's main story are extremely similar?

But yeah, there really isn't any definitive "proof" that they're the same event.

[Mysterious F.]

Besides the fact Nintendo puts it after OOT and their extreme similatiry. But that too isn't definite proof.

[Penguin dude 2]

Extreme similarity?   You're not refering to that outdated idea that OoT is LttPs backstory are you? The one that I personaly destroyed?   Nintendo made that claim many years ago, and unless they say it again, it has no merit. I don't know how it could go after OoT now, with TP and TWW. Unless there is another Ganon, of coarse, which might help it.