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Started by Zoratunic, July 04, 2007, 04:47:33 PM

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What is your view of America?

Very Positive, its the best country to live in, the only example of what a country should be like.
2 (9.5%)
Positive, It could be better, but not in a big way
9 (42.9%)
Neutral, no preference
3 (14.3%)
Negative, there are alot of things to improve.
2 (9.5%)
Very negative, as soon as you can, your gonna fly over to Britan, or Mexico, or Russia, or whatever floats your boat.
5 (23.8%)
0 (0%)
0 (0%)
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 20

LadyNintendo

They may be held for a short amount of time (not years)  under reasonable conditions (coughcough) to figure out whether a case can be made against them, followed by either the promise of a fair trial with a date or freedom.

Like all suspects.

darkphantomime

And by the anti-terror laws, just about anything can qualify oneself as a 'terrorist'. Which makes things muddled and the actions of the government highly questionable. To which case, they automatically label just about everyone as a terrorist, without any prooff to support it, and when someone asks, the person who supports such things go 'prove that they're not terrorists', which again, falls to flawed reasoning, because it can be proven that they aren't terrorists, and in fact, have never committed an act of terror.  But the people who are in charge wont allow this sort of thing, because it'll just make them look even more stupid when it is proven that their reasoning was flawed. So those in charge do whatever they want to support and protect themselves and their actions, which is just another example of arrogance.

Bboy94

Quote from: Gamefreak on July 06, 2007, 09:13:47 AM
QuoteSome of you people need to watch Colbert or Stewart.

I have never used Colbert as a credible source of news.  Only for entertainment.

The ultimate thing that makes me angry about this, is that most of the people here are just bashing America.  Do you have any ways to fix it?  Would you do a better job as president?  Quit whining and find some solutions if it's that bad.
Beyond the entertainment, he is very credible by showing how ridiculous the goverment is being. And yes, I do have some ways to fix things, and yes, I believe my brothers dog would do better than Bush as President. Thing is, I'm a teenager, and nobody ever listens to you if you are.

Zoratunic

QuoteFirst of all, not all of them are convicted terrorists. They're not even given the chance to have a trial.

Did you know that the right to a trial by jury is in the Constitution, which only applies to American citizens, right?

darkphantomime

Whoever said anything about them not being american citizens?

Commodore Axilon

Quote from: Zoratunic on July 06, 2007, 02:02:18 PM
Did you know that the right to a trial by jury is in the Constitution, which only applies to American citizens, right?

So you're telling me that were I a citizen of, say, Canada visiting the U.S. on vacation, and I was accused of a crime, they could hold me indefinitely without any explanation? You have no idea what you're talking about.

darkphantomime

And let's not forget about citizens of OTHER countries, where holding them without a trial or reason would be deemed suitable for negative repercussion.

Zoratunic

Quote from: JQ Pickwick on July 06, 2007, 02:16:27 PM
And let's not forget about citizens of OTHER countries, where holding them without a trial or reason would be deemed suitable for negative repercussion.

Thats why we just tell them to get the heck out of our country.

darkphantomime

That is the most flawed reasoning I have ever heard. What if they're here on business? Or Immigration? You cannot deny them simple, human, inalienable rights just because they happen to be in our country.

Gamefreak

#69
QuoteThats why we just tell them to get the heck out of our country.

Even I found that to be a little harsh.

Mysterious F.

I really think that this has gotten out of control, and at this rate will become a flame war. Can we please calm down?

Gamefreak

No, things are running pretty good right now.  

Mysterious F.

Ummm, you mean compared to what this will become, right?

Gamefreak

#73
Well, that's for us to figure out.  For two people, (ZoraTunic and LadyNintendo) whose opinions seem to be the polar opposite of each others, they're doing a good job of keeping it clean.

DW

Okay, I've stayed quiet mostly, but I would also like to point out something in the constitution that can help clear up this debate about the trials...it says that they believe all men should have equal rights....so therefore they would get a trial to...okay then...
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