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Termina gets flooded

Started by Uximadesk, February 12, 2008, 06:40:07 PM

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Uximadesk

No kidding, this came to me in a dream:
I was playing MM and I was in the swamp, then, the water starts to rise dramatically and I save myself by going to the witches house.
After giving some serious thought, it is very logical that Termina gets (or has gotten) flooded several times. You might be wondering how and from where I got this idea well here are my facts:
1.-There is a river that goes from Snowpeak, through Ikana and to the Swamp.
2.-The southern part of the field (and also the swamp, are mostly flat.
3.-Clock Town is built a little higher than the rest of the filed
4.-There is a large sewer system beneath Clock Town and the observatory
5.-The cottages in the Swamp are built well above the water level, as well as having a floating platform, there is a similarly built lab on the Beach. Also, most of the Deku Tribe's buildings seem to be able to float.
6.-There is lonely puddle of water near the swamp shooting gallery
7.-The fisherman in the beach has several boats outside his house.

Now here is the theory itself:

Since Snowpeak gets several ammounts of water frozen, there has got to have been some point in time when the ammount of water going down the river was so much that the water level in the river strated to rise more than usual, thus covering most of the southwestern field. This could explain why the southern part of Termina is mostly flat and lushy. Also, it might have happened that a flood eventually left a small body of water behind, becoming the puddle we see outside the swamp shooting gallery.

Lets say that happened in the past, so to be prevented of  any further dissasters, the population took their meassures:
Every building in the Swamp is addapted to be above water level even if it rises considerably as well as having a floating platform that adjusts to the water level.

Termina also seems to be built over a small platform that keeps some of the water at bay, but in case the water goes to high, it has an advanced draining system that seems to be capable of sustaining gigantic ammounts of water, the same goes for the observatory.

Also built in the same way as in the Swamp, the Laboratory could be dessigned to ignore the eventual wave coming from land, as well as the constant similar behavior of the sea.

Since the fisherman's house is not built to withstand such phenomenah, he has several boats handy, (obviously such boats are mainly used for fishing, and probably for researcher's convenience.

Those are my ideas, so go ahead, comment, don't flame, and be happy because I finally thought of something by myself!

Notes: I really don't know if any similar theory exists (I swear), should that be the case, I ask to politely express it.
The theory has several flaws, but I do not intend to write the down because I'm evil and I like leaving that part to you guys
:)
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Now that it has been brought to my attention, I can see how Termina would have issues with flooding.  Thanks for pointing this out.
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Uximadesk

I figured this would specially be of your interest since you are obsesed with Termina :D
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Quote from: seduakim on February 12, 2008, 06:40:07 PM
No kidding, this came to me in a dream:
I was playing MM and I was in the swamp, then, the water starts to rise dramatically and I save myself by going to the witches house.
After giving some serious thought, it is very logical that Termina gets (or has gotten) flooded several times. You might be wondering how and from where I got this idea well here are my facts:
1.-There is a river that goes from Snowpeak, through Ikana and to the Swamp.
2.-The southern part of the field (and also the swamp, are mostly flat.
3.-Clock Town is built a little higher than the rest of the filed
4.-There is a large sewer system beneath Clock Town and the observatory
5.-The cottages in the Swamp are built well above the water level, as well as having a floating platform, there is a similarly built lab on the Beach. Also, most of the Deku Tribe's buildings seem to be able to float.
6.-There is lonely puddle of water near the swamp shooting gallery
7.-The fisherman in the beach has several boats outside his house.

Now here is the theory itself:

Since Snowpeak gets several ammounts of water frozen, there has got to have been some point in time when the ammount of water going down the river was so much that the water level in the river strated to rise more than usual, thus covering most of the southwestern field. This could explain why the southern part of Termina is mostly flat and lushy. Also, it might have happened that a flood eventually left a small body of water behind, becoming the puddle we see outside the swamp shooting gallery.

Lets say that happened in the past, so to be prevented of  any further dissasters, the population took their meassures:
Every building in the Swamp is addapted to be above water level even if it rises considerably as well as having a floating platform that adjusts to the water level.

Termina also seems to be built over a small platform that keeps some of the water at bay, but in case the water goes to high, it has an advanced draining system that seems to be capable of sustaining gigantic ammounts of water, the same goes for the observatory.

Also built in the same way as in the Swamp, the Laboratory could be dessigned to ignore the eventual wave coming from land, as well as the constant similar behavior of the sea.

Since the fisherman's house is not built to withstand such phenomenah, he has several boats handy, (obviously such boats are mainly used for fishing, and probably for researcher's convenience.

Those are my ideas, so go ahead, comment, don't flame, and be happy because I finally thought of something by myself!

Notes: I really don't know if any similar theory exists (I swear), should that be the case, I ask to politely express it.
The theory has several flaws, but I do not intend to write the down because I'm evil and I like leaving that part to you guys
:)

Oh! I am so excited now!! I feel like playing and checking everything out. ^D^

YOU'RE TOO SMART!!  :-X

You know... i was thinking, maybe your dream was MEANT to be dreamt...Maybe God wanted you to say all that stuff. XDD Maybe, maybe Nintendo implanted that info into your brain while playing...so you could dream it and tell us about it!! XP

Mysterious F.

#4
Just of point it out, but if you follow the road from Clock Town to the Swamp, the elevation DECREASES. It isn't completely flat. If it was, then Clock Town would be flooded almost every week. And there's a puddle in the southern field, too, on the border between the swampy part of the field and the beachy part.

I do think, however, that this theory makes sense. If the water level in the river increases greatly, then water will also fall down the mountain, forming that canyon in northern Termina field. It's like the Grand Canyon: The Colorado River is several thousand feet above oceanic level water, so gravity pulls it down and forms the canyon. It is still deepening. The Ikana Canyon is probably like that, too. Those giant mushroom shaped rock things in the canyon in between Termina field and the Snowpeak mountains could be a Terminan species of rock fungus (like in Holodrum) that, as long as it gets enough water, can grow to the size of buildings.

As for why the swamp water decreases, its simple: swamp plant life drains massive amounts of water. When the flood in the northern mountains stops, the plants do their job and absorb most of the water. And Dekus like water, too, so perhaps the flood is met with welcome by the Dekus.

It could also be that, as with most swamps and rain forests, there is massive amounts of rain in southern Termina, and the puddles are leftovers. The rain does pour on the swamps, the field, and Clock Town on the second day. The sewer system was probably created to drain this water into another body of water, like the ocean (polluters).

Takun

Maybe in the summer the ice from the mountain melts and flows down. Over time the races began to modify their everyday life to fit the annual flooding.
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Gulliver

Never actually played MM, but if i know LOZ games, clocktown can't be very populous, and if it's not populous, there's really no need for any sewer systems... at least not for dealing with, you know, sewage. So i'm gonna have to say that you've come up with a pretty good theory ;D

Keaton

There is a large amount of people.

It's pretty big on the NPC aspect.

Gulliver

yeah, but it's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 100+ people, if that(living directly in clocktown, not just in the general area). 100+ people back in the approximate era of LOZ just threw everything out the front door... hence the invention of thresholds ???

Commodore Axilon

#9
You have to remember that most Zelda games were made on systems where it would be unfeasible to include that many NPCs in one area. Hence why the in-game population would not be entirely accurate.

Clock Town is supposed to be the major population center in all of Termina.  100 people is a large commune/very small town.

Edit: And, if I remember correctly, most of the people had evacuated due to the moon by the time Link got there. So...there's that.

Keaton

Yeah.  It's plausible that there were that many people there... possibly even Night of the -1st day.

MagmarFire

Yeah, you're right. Remember what Viscen said:

"At this time of year, the town is overrun by tourists. So why is the town empty?"

That's probably a comparative point of view, but indeed, had Link been there during "regular" times, there would likely be more people roaming the streets.



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On a side note, that was a brilliant ploy on Nintendo's part.  I mean, there would've had to be a lot more people if it really was a carnival, but they explained it away.

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MasterKeyX

It's a very unqiue and interetsing theory... I never thought of that. Seeing it through a new lens because of what you said makes it fit nciely.

I think I agree with your theory. It also opens up alot for those of us that write fanfics...


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I also just thought of something. (Some of them are probably pretty stupid, but it's the thought that counts. or...something like that lol)

----
1. Notice how there's alot of wood in Clocktown. There's also straw on top of the outside walls and little spaces in the top.
---- 2. There's also a deku flower in central Clocktown (the place where you start lol) and there's a little pool of water next to it.
---- 3. I don't think the clock-tower opens only for the carnival. It's alot higher than the rest of the town. The clock is also mighty big and made of wood. The sides are pretty high, too.
---- 4. Also notice how there are no doors/gates for the passageways to outside/inside of clocktown. They are also very wide and tall.

Semi-Theory for 1: not much thought on this one yet, but Deku's can't fly very high. Notice how the deku that comes into Clocktown leaves, he doesn't fly completely over the wall, he has to go through the space. The straw might just be there for decorating or w/e. The spaces might be there for the Dekus to come warn them. Or something like that. But those spaces might also be there for decorativity, too.

Semi-Theory for 2: The place for the deku to stay?
:P

Semi-Theory for 3: People ca go up there and stay on top of the clock, also if it gets VERY flooded (very high), they can just float away on the clock. Or something lol

Semi-Theory for 4: I'm not sure on this one yet.

Also, a side note or two (or 6)...Why do you think the walls of Clocktown are so tall?
Why are there pillars leading to Ikana?
Why are there gates blocking the way to Great Bay?
Why is the Deku game in North clocktown (I think that's where it is, left of where the fairy lives?) so deep?

Also, I'm not sure if we went over this yet, but there is probably another reason why the place where you can get a boat ride has a boat.
And there are also dead trees in mid-part of the swamp.

Another note...Why is the Gerudo place so hidden, and (if I remember correctly), why do you have to go under-water to get there?
WHYYY IS THERE A HUGE TURTLE BY THE ZORA PLACE?!!?!?!?
WHY!!! I SAID WHY!!!!!! Is the river-canyon in Ikana so deep?
And also the palace in Ikana is strictly guarded by walls. And Stone Tower is very high.


Alot of this may not make sense, or is completely wrong and/or stupid, but think for a moment.

I also worded this poorly, so forgive me for that lol. There are probably more to this than I have, but I will keep thinking, and I will play the game sometime to look for any more theories.

Class dismissed.