The Hyrulian Royal family symbol

[The Glamour Nazi]

You know that bird looking thing? Well there is a lot of people saying it is a pheonix. Not here in particular but on other places and i thought you guys (and girls) might wanna know why I think it is not a pheonix but a Roc. First; The Roc's feather, It has to come from somewhere. Secondly; The Kargoroc in the Twilight princess, It has a second form in the twilight realm that has a face strangely Triangle shaped, no? Also there is no evidence in any game that says there is a pheonix (then again it has been a while since I've played them all). This Topic is open for dscussion and I will reply when I can. Phew... What a mouthful... :-X

[Hi no Seijin]

That seems to be quite a stretch, saying the Hyrulean Royal Family symbol is a Roc, especially in your second point, as Twilight Kargarocs exist in, well, the Twilight Realm and not Hyrule itself.  If Twilight Kargarocs do not exist in Hyrule, why would the Roc become a symbol of the Royal Family?  And looking at the picture of a Twilight Kargaroc Tacheon posted in the Bongo Bongo = Sheikah thread, I see a circle-shaped head, not a triangle-shaped one.

If Twilight Kargarocs do not exist in Hyrule, why would the Roc become a symbol of the Royal Family?

Yeah, yeah, I know the question can also apply to phoenixes, but phoenixes are mythological creatures and seem more likely to be the symbol for the Hyrulean Royal Family, despite the lack of in-game evidence.

I guess it just becomes a matter of preference, as it's shaky evidence vs. no evidence (at least not any that I'm aware of).  Personally, the phoenix is a much more powerful symbol for the Royal Family than anything else, especially when you consider the number of times Hyrule is thrown into jeopardy.

[DW]

I think the game designers probably thought it looked cool.

[Keaton]

Doesn't sound like a stretch at all to me.  Phoenixes are known mostly for their tails, and the Hyrulean Family Crest's bird has a very plain tail, it would otherwise most likely be the centerpiece.



All of the allusions to Rocs in the game(s) make it a perfectly logical conclusion that the bird in the crest is a Roc.

Also,


Roc's Feather.


Shadow Kargarok.  Shadow cannot exist without light-- that must mean there is a Light Kargarok out there.

Wait for it...

wait for it...

wait for it...




(hard to see, but it should refresh your memory).

EDIT:  Shika, everything in the Zelda theory section is arbitrary in that the game designers don't necessarily always stick to canon.

[The Glamour Nazi]

Yeah, yeah, I know the question can also apply to phoenixes, but phoenixes are mythological creatures and seem more likely to be the symbol for the Hyrulean Royal Family, despite the lack of in-game evidence.

Roc's are mytical creatures too. Ever heard of sinbad? Sorry if that sounded snotty but it's true

[Hi no Seijin]

Gah!  That's why I keep out of this section! ???

Anywho, points taken, both of you.

While you're theorizing, you might want to theorize what the Roc would mean in the crest.  Why the Royal Family would be represented by a Roc is beyond me at this point.  Strength, maybe?  I dunno; I still think the Phoenix is a more appropriate symbol.

[The Glamour Nazi]

Maybe because that Hyrule is so vast and the Roc supposed to be the largest bird?

[Keaton]

The Phoenix represents, at its core, rebirth.  However, anyone who's played TWW would understand that that isn't exactly a fitting symbol for the Hylean Royal Family.

A Roc represents strength, life, size, regality, all that and more.  Surely a fitting symbol for the once vast Hyrule?

[The Glamour Nazi]

My mind = blown thank you Davey

[Hi no Seijin]

The Phoenix represents, at its core, rebirth.  However, anyone who's played TWW would understand that that isn't exactly a fitting symbol for the Hylean Royal Family.

A Roc represents strength, life, size, regality, all that and more.  Surely a fitting symbol for the once vast Hyrule?

Didn't Link and Tetra go off to look for a new Hyrule?  The rebirth isn't instantaneous, but it's still there in a fashion.

Meh, I still think it's a matter of preference.

[The Glamour Nazi]

What was ganondorfs giant bird in WW? Was it helmasaur king? I think it had to do with rocs. HNS also the Pheonix rebirth was instantaneous. but i guess your right too.

[Hi no Seijin]

Helmaroc King.

And while I do see your point with the Roc thing, I'm still calling artistic license.

[The Glamour Nazi]

Touche. But that does not mean i change my Theory.

[ZeldaFreak]

I always thought it was an owl... I have no idea why. :-[

[The Glamour Nazi]

I could understand owl thing cause of Kaepora Gaebora.