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Oh god what does this even mean

Started by Keaton, March 24, 2009, 04:12:58 AM

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Keaton

I can't figure this out as to what this means it's blowing my mind

think about it

The moon in Termina (yes, it's another MM theory, kill yourself) would have to have been around for far longer than the three days that Link was around, and indeed must have been around longer than the Skull Kid's ownership of Majora's Mask [spoiler]or Majora's Mask's ownership of the Skull Kid, rather[/spoiler], because the "tears" from the Moon (aka the Moon's Tear, durrr) have a value, as indicated by the Business Scrub in South Clock Town.  They're 'popular', and that indicates that there must have been several that fell from the moon in the first place.

So, the moon may always have had that weird-as-hell face, or something... I dunno.  I guess what I'm trying to point out is...

ugh, I'm too tired to even remember anymore, but I'm sure at least HnS in all his/her wisdom knows what I'm getting at, however vaguely.

Twilight Wolf

I think I see what you're getting at. I never really thought about that before...
What, you expect me to say something witty?

The Glamour Nazi

Whoa...

That is weird.

Maybe this incident has happened before.

Hey not impossible.

Darth Wyndisis

Assuming that there is an atmosphere over Termina like there is over Earth, the Moon's Tear would likely burn up before it hit the ground.  Could that mean that the Moon has always been hovering there, and had never been an extra-terrestrial object?

TP Zelda

Maybe it was always like that until the Skull- Oh wait, nevermind, I just remember the end of the game.

Maybe it just wanted to challenge link and skull kid?

Hi no Seijin

Damn computer.  Shut off on me while I was typing. ><

If I remember correctly, some of the conversations you can have on the first day show that the citizens of Clock Town has been aware that the moon has been getting closer before Link arrived.  So that part shouldn't be that much of a mystery.

As for the tears and the moon's face....Well, face or no face, it would make sense to call gems that fall from the moon "Moon's Tears."  As for the face itself, I still think that was something added on by Skull Kid (or the mask itself) to inspire fear into the people below.

Quote from: Darth Wyndisis on March 24, 2009, 01:47:27 PMCould that mean that the Moon has always been hovering there, and had never been an extra-terrestrial object?
I don't think that's even plausible.  If something that heavy dips into a planet's atmosphere, I would think that gravity would make it fall.  The surface, at least, is a solid, otherwise the moon wouldn't be pockmarked with craters; the crust would also have to be thick enough for the meteorites not to fall into the moon (from what I remember, there are no obvious holes).  While helium and other lighter-than-air gasses can lift heavy materials (such as lead) into the air, I don't think the moon would have enough volume for the gas to fill in and keep the moon aloft.  So I doubt that the moon has always been hovering there.
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Darth Wyndisis

Quote from: Hi no Seijin on March 24, 2009, 06:21:17 PM
Quote from: Darth Wyndisis on March 24, 2009, 01:47:27 PMCould that mean that the Moon has always been hovering there, and had never been an extra-terrestrial object?
I don't think that's even plausible.  If something that heavy dips into a planet's atmosphere, I would think that gravity would make it fall.  The surface, at least, is a solid, otherwise the moon wouldn't be pockmarked with craters; the crust would also have to be thick enough for the meteorites not to fall into the moon (from what I remember, there are no obvious holes).  While helium and other lighter-than-air gasses can lift heavy materials (such as lead) into the air, I don't think the moon would have enough volume for the gas to fill in and keep the moon aloft.  So I doubt that the moon has always been hovering there.
Isn't the moon pretty close to the earth, even at the begining of the game?  It's been a while since I played the game, but I'd say its close enough to be in the atmosphere.  So yeah, you would expect it to just come crashing down, but it doesn't.

Hi no Seijin

That's another thing.  It fell a bit too slowly.  My guess would be extremely powerful magic was used to slow it down.  Our antagonist might have reasoned that a large mass taking its sweet time to crush you might be scarier than if it came as fast as it could, and wished to use that to terrify his/her/its victims before killing them.

Of course, the flat plain inside the moon does suggest that it is hollow, so there might have been gases in there that, while it didn't keep the moon buoyant, might have slowed it down some.  However, that doesn't seem the slightest bit plausible, so "the wizard did it" is just as good as any other explanation.
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TP Zelda

But remember (if I remember correctly, I haven't played MM in a while), I think the Gorons said something about Goht being frozen orr something.
...Ok maybe that doesn't really matter...
But what I'm trying to say is...
How long have the bosses been there, in their little battle arenas?
It might be them that's keeping the moon there.
Because when you beat one of them a giant comes out, so you can call them to help stop the moon.
And you know how in your menu it shows the boss masks? (And the end of the game of course when you're battling MM) The Giants could have been sealed inside those masks and turned into evil creatures, whilst beating the bosses helped them escape.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND I was gonna say something else but I forgot what...

But anyway, I'm sure what I said it probably not the case at all.  :-*

Keaton

Quote from: TP Zelda on March 24, 2009, 08:27:25 PM
But remember (if I remember correctly, I haven't played MM in a while), I think the Gorons said something about Goht being frozen orr something.
...Ok maybe that doesn't really matter...
But what I'm trying to say is...
How long have the bosses been there, in their little battle arenas?
It might be them that's keeping the moon there.
Because when you beat one of them a giant comes out, so you can call them to help stop the moon.
And you know how in your menu it shows the boss masks? (And the end of the game of course when you're battling MM) The Giants could have been sealed inside those masks and turned into evil creatures, whilst beating the bosses helped them escape.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND I was gonna say something else but I forgot what...

But anyway, I'm sure what I said it probably not the case at all.  :-*

Well, there was the whole fact that Goht was frozen and you had to thaw it to fight it, but then you probably remember that :P

Then again, Goht's freezing may very well have been a part of turning the entirety of Goronland into a tundra.  However, it's been made clear by reading the remains' descriptions that the bosses were entities created solely by corrupting and sealing the giants within the remains, which are simply masks.

But I see where you're coming from, HnS, but keep in mind that this is an entirely alternate world from Hyrule, another dimension at least, where the physics may be different, even if ever so slightly.

Hi no Seijin

Yeah, I know, but I find it helpful if they follow many of the same laws of nature found elsewhere.  It's just really hard for me to believe that a moon, solid all the way or most of the way to the core, would just hover over a single location in a planet's atmosphere without moving until someone attempts to bring it down.  Quite frankly, I would find it slightly more believable that a moon could orbit so close to a planet that it's in the atmosphere.
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Keaton

Considering how long the days (and hours) are, the planet must be moving ridiculously quickly-- quickly enough to keep the moon in some kind of orbit.

Uximadesk

I want to believe that the moon already dropped "tears" into Termina, and it is in no way related to the Skull Kid's curse. Although there is that issue with the moon, I think more energy was spent into holding it there than slowly pulling it down.
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Keaton

That leaves a few problems-- the consistency, shape, roughness, and overall "worth" of the tears would have changed depending on the moon's altitude.  The tears would have had to travel further and would, consequently, have burned even more (the tear was already burning from that short drop it made), changing a lot of factors regarding the stone.

TP Zelda

Quote from: Davy Jones on March 26, 2009, 02:40:18 AM
That leaves a few problems-- the consistency, shape, roughness, and overall "worth" of the tears would have changed depending on the moon's altitude.  The tears would have had to travel further and would, consequently, have burned even more (the tear was already burning from that short drop it made), changing a lot of factors regarding the stone.

Maybe it's made out of diamonds?  :P

But guys, remember, MM is like, and inverse of Hyrule, in a way. (I think so, anyway.
Because it's got powers.
Like magical masks, swords, etc.
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