The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword

[HylianHero92]

The grass?  Is that true, HH92?  You're nitpicking over a trivial detail as the effing grass not looking good enough?

While the grass does, in fact, look awful, I was trying to provide evidence of what I described in the post above it. That being, if you did not read it, that the art style looks terrible in my humble opinion on the models they originally made for a more realistic art style.

And yes, I believe they are going to do to Zelda exactly what they've done to Mario.

They're way past beating a dead horse. Now they're more like...dragging it along the road and beating with it's own spine.
Yes, that's an appropriate analogy for what they've done Mario and are currently doing with nearly all their major franchises. 

In many ways, this Zelda was Nintendo's last chance in my book. I've always been fed up with them, their methods, their games, and nearly everything about them. In the past year or so I've started playing other games that aren't all sunshine and rainbows and enjoyed them far more than any Nintendo games. This was their final chance and in more ways than one they blew it.

Perhaps if they'd actually come up with a NEW idea instead of depending 100% on outdated ancient franchises, I'd be a bit more pleased. Seriously, go back and watch this year's conference. Not a single game they showcased was original. NOT A SINGLE ONE!

[/off topic nerd rant]

Even if SS had better art direction, I still wouldn't be satisfied. Sure I might have been excited now, but in the long run I'd still not enjoy it.

[MagmarFire]

Even if SS had better art direction, I still wouldn't be satisfied. Sure I might have been excited now, but in the long run I'd still not enjoy it.

Then I guess Zelda was doomed from the start.

[Deku]

I can't see them ever letting us down with a big Zelda title. I really think you're all worrying about what was said about story and dungeons not being as important as fun. I think what he meant to say was that the series has been riding on that all along, and because of it, the game wasn't fun. To be completely honest, I've been playing it completely for the story and swordplay. Dungeons can be a pain in the neck, but it is always worth it to see what will happen next. I don't think they'd be so stupid as to completely change the formula of a perfect series, and I definitely don't think Miyamoto would let them produce a Zelda title that he is not completely satisfied with.

[HylianHero92]

Even if SS had better art direction, I still wouldn't be satisfied. Sure I might have been excited now, but in the long run I'd still not enjoy it.

Then I guess Zelda was doomed from the start.

That was me commenting on how the controls appear to be gimmicky, among other things.

I definitely don't think Miyamoto would let them produce a Zelda title that he is not completely satisfied with.

That's the problem. I've lost nearly all respect for Myiamoto in the past few years because he no longer has that spark that started all these great franchises. Doing things like butchering Mario n' friends took away most if not all my respect for him, although I still have some left for what he was, not is.

As I said earlier, it was Myiamoto who upended the tea table* and forced the SS team to rush together a different art style and most likely Myiamoto who pushed the gimmicky-looking controls.


*See what I did there?

[MagmarFire]

I can't see them ever letting us down with a big Zelda title. I really think you're all worrying about what was said about story and dungeons not being as important as fun. I think what he meant to say was that the series has been riding on that all along, and because of it, the game wasn't fun. To be completely honest, I've been playing it completely for the story and swordplay. Dungeons can be a pain in the neck, but it is always worth it to see what will happen next. I don't think they'd be so stupid as to completely change the formula of a perfect series, and I definitely don't think Miyamoto would let them produce a Zelda title that he is not completely satisfied with.

So you think there's still hope that they'll still care for the story and potentially give me the emotional reaction that I've longed for ever since I beat Ocarina of Time?

Just to hear you say yes would be a good sigh of relief for me.

[Gamefreak]

I have yet to be let down by a Zelda title.  This one might have a few things that bug me, (most likely Wii controls) but I'm sure the final product will be just fine.

[Deku]

I can't see them ever letting us down with a big Zelda title. I really think you're all worrying about what was said about story and dungeons not being as important as fun. I think what he meant to say was that the series has been riding on that all along, and because of it, the game wasn't fun. To be completely honest, I've been playing it completely for the story and swordplay. Dungeons can be a pain in the neck, but it is always worth it to see what will happen next. I don't think they'd be so stupid as to completely change the formula of a perfect series, and I definitely don't think Miyamoto would let them produce a Zelda title that he is not completely satisfied with.

So you think there's still hope that they'll still care for the story and potentially give me the emotional reaction that I've longed for ever since I beat Ocarina of Time?

Just to hear you say yes would be a good sigh of relief for me.

Well look at it this way. The entire story is already complete. There IS a timeline y'know. They just make the games in a random sequence. They don't have to come up with a new story for each game because the entire story is already down on paper somewhere. I think what he meant was that the other games focused too hard on making you live the story, while this one will focus more on intuitive gameplay and fun bosses. In short, yes, I believe the story is still going to be there, and it's still going to be awesome.

[MagmarFire]

*insert appropriate, glorious music here*

ZV HAS SPOKEN!!!

So, then, if they really manage to make this game tragic, and do it well, I will be really happy. Well, sad when I get to it, but then happy! Zelda needs more emotional finales!

[The Glamour Nazi]

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*insert Kage Futatsu here*

Fix'd.

I know nintendo won't let us down, and I know that the story'll be there, but I want an immersive story.

Zelda Bosses do need to be intuitively remade, So maybe this'll be a good thing.

Way to put a positive spin on it ZV.

also, Mags, you do me proud.

[MagmarFire]

The Clannad picture choice was a coincidence, I swear. But if you're still proud, I'm glad!

Man, the more I look at the concept art, the more I love the style. Really, Link may not look as gritty, but that does not mar the unadulterated awesome of how he looks. He looks just as BA as ever.

[DW]

For the love of God.

Reading the whining in this topic just fills me with rage.

These are GAMES. You don't need them to live, they are for entertainment. They are not a right, they are a privilege and a luxury. I'm an avid gamer, but geeze. There are more important things in life. Just let the people who spend their entire life making these things figure out what works.

I have to say though, this

There are enough "fun" games out there

made me laugh.

Something gets said and people immediately assume the worst. As for losing respect in Miyamoto, you try doing his job. I mean, geeze, that butterfly thing? I think it's genius, because I was at wit's end trying to figure out what they could POSSIBLY do to make new items. The fact they've kept a series running this long is impressive.

tl;dr Games are for fun. Stop crying and enjoy them.

Sorry I'm all...garsph. Bad day I suppose.

[Hi no Seijin]

I'm sorry I'm a writer and take things like stories seriously.

Well look at it this way. The entire story is already complete. There IS a timeline y'know. They just make the games in a random sequence. They don't have to come up with a new story for each game because the entire story is already down on paper somewhere. I think what he meant was that the other games focused too hard on making you live the story, while this one will focus more on intuitive gameplay and fun bosses. In short, yes, I believe the story is still going to be there, and it's still going to be awesome.

Thanks for pointing that out, but I'm still worried about plot holes; I was under the impression Nintendo was trying to fill them in.

[MagmarFire]

Thanks for pointing that out, but I'm still worried about plot holes; I was under the impression Nintendo was trying to fill them in.

Yeah, ditto. Personally, I think they add to the timeline as they go along. Of course, that's not always a bad thing. It seems they're going to attempt to explain more about what we don't know.

[HylianHero92]

As for losing respect in Miyamoto, you try doing his job.

The point is if he can no longer do his job, he should retire instead of ruining a whole bunch of potential some games have.

tl;dr Games are for fun. Stop crying and enjoy them.

I never stated my life was over. I understand they're for fun. All I ever stated was that I was disappointed and, for the time being, would not be buying this game upon release.

Is it me or does everything I say here get misinterpreted? Perhaps I need to take writing classes... 

[kamakaziplumber]

Ugh, reading this topic was so painful I had to stop. I mean literally, it hurt my heart. It made me impossibly sad. Why do people feel the need to form opinions before they've even tried something for themselves? I can understand fans being excited for the game and having positive opinions just because they're fans, but how can you form a negative opinion on something you haven't tried for yourself yet? It's easy to hate on graphics when they're presented in stills and videos, because you can stop and analyze every single detail. We already know that the Wii has limited power, let it be already! I've already told some of you that I have some issues with the graphics... and yet I will purchase this game at launch. I'd even wait in line if I have to, because I know from experience that when I'm sitting down and playing the game I don't care what the graphics look like as long as they present the information I need accurately and don't get in the way of my gameplay. Besides, low-res textures could always be fixed in the year's time that they've given themselves before the release of this game, even though I doubt they'll change anything because frankly, they shouldn't have to.

The same goes for the controls. Nintendo will fine-tune them as much as they can, we have no reason not to expect that. If the end result isn't perfect, oh well. They aren't going to release a broken game so it should be fine. The issues they had on stage were sensor problems; again, this is an issue that falls in the category of "criticism you shouldn't form until you've played the game yourself."

The idea of the game being more about "fun" did scare me a little at first, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. The way I see it, if they take this claim seriously, I'm just going to be enjoying myself even more while I'm playing this game. It also doesn't absolutely guarantee that they'll ignore the story aspect of the game, just that it might not be as pivotal and/or there might be less "boring" parts in the game (think sailing in Wind Waker - even though I loved that aspect of the game, it was kinda show-stopping and wasn't always very fun).

On another note, what reason do we have to lose faith in Miyamoto, and how can it be said that the Mario series has gone downhill? Have you guys even played Galaxy 2? That was the most satisfied I've been with a Mario game since SM64. And guess what: Miyamoto was one of its producers. I'm sure he had a ton of input in that game, too.

So I'm excited for Skyward Sword, and most of the games Nintendo announced at E3. In fact, I am very impressed with the amount of series they're bringing back. Whichever one of you complained about how there were no new titles being announced... well, you'll never be pleased and I feel sorry for you. Meanwhile, there are series on the list that haven't had notable new games in years. Years. Donkey Kong Country and Kirby? How can you seriously be disappointed? They might as well be entirely new titles for the lack of recognition they've had these past few years. This was an excellent E3 showing for Nintendo and shows that they're being true to their old fans for the first time in a while, how could you possibly complain?

OK so that's it. Now to avoid this topic completely so that I can pretend that everyone will be in agreement with me and I can be happy with the members of this site.

tl;dr read my post, lazy