I really hate profanity. I mean REALLY hate it. >:( Is there anyone else out there who hates profanity even remotely as much as I do? If so post here please.
There are times I find it strange why things are considered profane. My mind is strange, I know.
Profanity means cursing, right? I don't like when people curse alot, or when it's not necessary. But in some cases, it's funny. It is also strange to me how many words are considered profane. It reminds me, with a few words, how you weren't allowed to say "stupid" or "shut up".
Profanity is NEVER funny! It's just plain sick(and not in the good way)! SICK, SICK, SICK, SICK, SICK! >:( :P
I'm not an obsessive swearer or anything and I am more than capable of keepin my lanuage clean when in polite company, but sometimes swearing is needed[ to add emphasis to a joke or something. Other times it can't be avoided, if you drop something heavy on your toe you're more likely to swear than to politely say 'ouch, that hurt slightly.' There are times I swear in the stories that I write to make different characters, for example in one story there is a rebellious, 16 year old girl. My story wouldn't be believeable if she didn't slip in the odd curse. I conclusion, even though swearing is not a particularly nice think, it is a part of our language and therefore I can't understand why some people cannot just accept it thus.
Curse words are simply words society has deemed disgusting or vulgar- ass is simply a donkey, for example, but with the wrong connotation, it's a much worse term.
It's all in the way you use them- I don't have a problem if you curse loudly at dropping a heavy weight or injuring yourself, but I do have a problem with it in excess (which is, unfortunately, all too common on the internet) to make yourself look cool.
Basic rules to cursing: 1 or 2 is okay, 3+ in a post knocks your internet IQ down about 5 points for every one. Bonus points taken away if you're using ALL CAPS or bad grammar/spelling.
Profanity is not a necessity of the human life! >:( I go through life just fine without uttering a single ounce of profanity, so I'm pretty sure anybody else can. But then again, I can't change people, so why even bother writing this. :(
Well I do know for a FACT that profanity did NOT exist in Hyrule. ;D
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 04:10:01 PM
Profanity is not a necessity of the human life! >:( I go through life just fine without uttering a single ounce of profanity, so I'm pretty sure anybody else can. But then again, I can't change people, so why even bother writing this. :(
Well I do know for a FACT that profanity did NOT exist in Hyrule. ;D
It's their choice, I can understand being perturbed by excess amounts of profanity, but there's no reason to bash people for something they consciously choose to do.
To be honest, I love cursing- and it adds an extra "oomph" to some messages, especially in songs and the like.
I disagree....with your second statement(paragraph?). >:( I think it only adds disgustingness, not any -oomph in the slightest. But, thats just my opinion. What I really wanted to know is if there is anyone out there who hates profanity as much as I do?! ???
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 04:10:01 PM
Profanity is not a necessity of the human life! >:( I go through life just fine without uttering a single ounce of profanity, so I'm pretty sure anybody else can. But then again, I can't change people, so why even bother writing this. :(
Well I do know for a FACT that profanity did NOT exist in Hyrule. ;D
This is certainly a situational argument, but stylish clothes (those made only for style and that have no other practical use) aren't really a necessity to human life, either. Some people wear them anyway. Computers aren't a necessity, either. People use them anyway.
Sometimes, people just do these things because they can.
And what makes you say that it didn't exist in Hyrule? I can certainly imagine a few foul mouths here and there.
What's with the sudden burst self-righteousnes, caped cruzader?
I think you are giving the topic too much thought, look, nobody is perfect, I guarantee that you will curse in the next three years, sure, there is no need for cursing, just like there is no need for "marvelous", "fantastic" or "hilarious"; humans need certain words to express strong emotions, is a psycological outlet that keeps us from expresing them otherwise (like jumping around and screaming, or slaming the furniture around).
MF is right, what makes you think people did not curse in Hyrule?
I have no problems with profanity until it is used as a direct insult.
1.) none of the zelda games actually have profanity in them. :)
2.) Hyrule existed in ANCIENT times, back when profanity did not exist. :)
3.) and even if you could find evidence that there was profanity in Hyrule (pretty much infinitely unlikely ;D), I know for an ABSOLUTE FACT that Link would NEVER use profanity. He is a paragon of benevolence, one who is against evil, and profanity is MOST DEFINATELY EVIL! >:(
And you are WRONG! I will never use profanity, EVER. Not now, not when I am 30, not when I am 80, not even when I'm in the afterlife! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:14:49 PM
1.) none of the zelda games actually have profanity in them.
2.) Hyrule existed in ANCIENT times, back when profanity did not exist.
3.) and even if you could find evidence that there was profanity in Hyrule (pretty much infinitely unlikely), I know for an ABSOLUTE FACT that Link would NEVER use profanity. He is a paragon of benevolence, one who is against evil, and profanity is MOST DEFINATELY EVIL!
1.) None of the
Zelda games have any sex, either,
unless you count Telma, but
le gasp! We have a pregnant woman in
Twilight Princess (Uli). I wonder how
that came to be...
Point: You can't base every little thing's existence on what you only see in the game. If you could make a valid assumption based off of that alone, then we could safely say that Link never goes to the bathroom. Ever.
2.) I ask you this: how do you know profanity didn't exist back then? That was mostly just a restatement of your thesis, not an answer to the question.
3.) Well, Link's just one person. All because Link acts that way doesn't mean that everyone does, and let me tell you, if everyone were to act the way he does, we'd even see
Ganondorf at the soup kitchen every Friday.
1)True, but you only see part of the world in which they exist
2)Cursing exists since the beginning of language, probably bron from the need to taunt other humans into conflict
3) 8) Link doesn't talk, so I guess you have a point there. But cursing or not cursing doesn't have to do the slightest with whether you're good or evil (even then, good and evil are biased ways). What if Batman cursed or Iron Man (who is the most likely to curse) did, does that that suddenly everything is lost, or what if the POTUS received a report where 200 soldiers (which a 'high' number by today's standards) were killed in Iraq and he said "Oh s****!", does that mean that now your country is being lead by some sort of humanoid demon?
Oh, and trust me, you will curse, sooner or later
^Don't be too sure, OM; the future isn't set in stone. ;)
Cursing may have been around that long, but not the profane words of A,B,C,D,S,T and the most evil one of all...the F word, certainly were NOT. I am pretty sure those profane words came into being around the time of the British Empire or the 13 Colonies. In other words, a long time after Hyrule! :D
Plus reproduction is a necessity to preserve a species. Profanity has no meaning for existance, it was just made up by some idiots(whom I may clarify came around long after the Great Flood which buried Hyrule beneath the Great Sea for all of eternity.) who wanted to sound "cool", but were really turned out to be complete jerks to anyone other than themselves. >:(
You are a thousand times wrong OM. By the very light that sustains us all, I have taken a solemn oath to never use profanity in my life, or afterlife for that matter. I am like Link, ONE WHO DOES NOT CURSE!!! >:(
1) What first party game on a Nintendo console does have swearing in it?
2) What history book are you reading from? Not only is Hyrule a fictional place (no matter how much we may wish it does exist), but profanity did exist long ago. As in before the 13 colonies were established.
3) Link is a silent protagonist. Of course you're not going to hear him use profanity.
Cussing isn't even evil. Is it a bad habit? Perhaps, but using the f-word doesn't necessarily make you evil. Dude, calm down; it's not so serious that you need to get all worked up over it.
Also, as this is the General Discussion, please don't double post. Just modify your last post if no one else posted yet.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on January 19, 2009, 06:49:20 PM
1) What first party game on a Nintendo console does have swearing in it?
Conker's Bad Fur Day.
Also, your post has been edited, JoeLink. Please do not double-post.
Link doesn't even talk!! Stop picturing him like a language paladin, he can't even use it.
You will, and when you noticed that you did, you will come closer to understand that the world is not black and white (up and down, yin and yang, good and evil, whatever)
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:44:21 PMCursing may have been around that long, but not the profane words of A,B,C,D,S,T and the most evil one of all...the F word, certainly were NOT.
Doesn't matter; profanity is profanity, no matter what form it's in.
Besides, I find the N word to be more "evil" (I emphasize the quote because I don't believe in judging what is evil and what's not; God should be in charge of that) than the F word. I'm quite sure others would agree...but that's not my point, I guess. ;)
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:44:21 PM
Plus reproduction is a necessity to preserve a species.
I agree with you there, but that wasn't the reason why I brought up reproduction. I mentioned it for support of my point that you can't base every little thing that goes on in a game on what you've seen and what you can see. There's obviously "behind the scenes" action, and to show all of it in a game would be unwieldy.
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:44:21 PMProfanity has no meaning for existance, it was just made up by some idiots(whom I may clarify came around long after the Great Flood which buried Hyrule beneath the Great Sea for all of eternity.) who wanted to sound "cool", but were really turned out to be complete jerks to anyone other than themselves. >:(
Or it was made up by people who are simply different from the norm and who weren't tolerated in society because of its cold, cold nature and tendency to see anything different in a bad light. This happens more often in society than you think. *is an Aspie*
Quote from: Old Mikaudes on January 19, 2009, 06:53:31 PM
Link doesn't even talk!! Stop picturing him like a language paladin, he can't even use it.
Some would disagree with you. There are times in the
Zelda series when you get to choose what he says, such as the "So what if I am?" and the "I hate Ganondorf!" options when you first talk to Nabooru in
Ocarina of Time.
I never said saying the word making the person evil, I am saying the words themselves are EVIL! But even so, a vast majority of people who use profanity are EVIL, oh and if a hero does use profanity, they are obviously not a "true" hero, like Link is.
You have no idea the kind of suffering I had to endure in High School, constantly hearing the evil F-word..........It made my head scream on the inside! I almost went insane!!! INSANE I TELL YOU!!! :-X :'(
Oh, and Link is not a mute, no matter where you hear that. He answers back to people doesn't he. Also, some characters reply to him as if he had TALKED.
And OM, get it through your thick skull, I will never, never, never, never, never, never, EVER use profanity, SO STOP SAYING I WILL, IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Profanity is evil....possibly even more evil than.....Ganon.
And so what if I believe Hyrule was a real place at one time, you don't see me questioning your beliefs!!! Oh.....perhaps I've said too much.....Ah, whatever, go ahead call me crazy, you'll never get me to turn away from my beliefs!!!
Oh, and for those who would like to know more about this belief of mine, I MIGHT start a forum about it. If you don't call me crazy.
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:57:57 PM
I never said saying the word making the person evil, I am saying the words themselves are EVIL! But even so, a vast majority of people who use profanity are EVIL, oh and if a hero does use profanity, they are obviously not a "true" hero, like Link is.
I know quite a few people who use profanity who aren't evil. My mother is quite the devout Christian, but there are times when I hear her dropping an F-bomb. You can bet all your money that she is not evil. She's scary when she's angry, but she is not evil.
You'd have to define what a "true hero" is or what it means to have a human being be classified as "evil", too, but even so, it feels like a lot of this is based on mortal judgment.
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:57:57 PM
You have no idea the kind of suffering I had to endure in High School, constantly hearing the evil F-word..........It made my head scream on the inside! I almost went insane!!! INSANE I TELL YOU!!! :-X :'(
Ugh, you don't have to tell me... I know this one guy who drops F-bombs literally every two-to-five seconds when he talks. It bugs the crap out of me... >_<
Quote from: Davy Jones on January 19, 2009, 06:52:13 PM
Conker's Bad Fur Day.
Rare is a first party developer? According to Wikipedia, it's a second party developer. Who's wrong here?
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:57:57 PM
But even so, a vast majority of people who use profanity are EVIL
You have seen past my ruse. You will be the first to die when I destroy the world. [/sarcasm]
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:57:57 PMOh, and Link is not a mute, no matter where you hear that. He answers back to people doesn't he. Also, some characters reply to him as if he had TALKED.
The point here is that you don't know for sure what he's saying. For all we know, he does use a cuss word every now and then. While it may be your opinion that Link doesn't use profanity, it certainly is not a fact, so please stop treating it like it is.
Mikaudes, please stop telling him he'll cuss. I'm tired of hearing him swear that he won't. ><
Well, you may be a "non-believer", but I know in my very soul that the Hero of Hyrule would never cuss, any of them. But, hey, that's me, believe what you want to believe. :( *cougheventhoughyourwrongcough*
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:57:57 PM
And so what if I believe Hyrule was a real place at one time, you don't see me questioning your beliefs!!! Oh.....perhaps I've said too much.....Ah, whatever, go ahead call me crazy, you'll never get me to turn away from my beliefs!!!
Oh, and for those who would like to know more about this belief of mine, I MIGHT start a forum about it. If you don't call me crazy.
Whoa, whoa, hold it. We are
not calling you crazy (at least I'm not), and we are not trying to turn you away from your beliefs. By all means, believe what you want to believe and stand up for what you believe in.
However, when there is a difference in beliefs, of course there's going to be conflict. In a way, beliefs are like people: there are just some people we cannot get along with. Sure, there are those who think the belief is crazy, but that doesn't mean we think the believer is, too. :)
Quote*cougheventhoughyourwrongcough*
However, prepare to fight tooth and nail if you use a statement like that in debates. Like it was said before, the world isn't in black and white (although sometimes, I wish it were T.T ), it's in shades of gray. "Right" and "wrong" are absolutes, and you can't pinpoint absolutes as easily in these gray areas. That's because there are so many variables in between, and the "gray" is the very embodiment of these betwixt variables.
For instance, if you pick a number from zero to one, you can't easily say that "the most optimum number" for a given situation is either one or zero. What about .5? .25? .32185926359010923659? The list goes on.
You are pretty... delicate, aren't you? Do not tell that all it takes you to make you go insane are simple phonetics?
OK, let's say I have a gun, and I shoot, not targeting anyone, you know, just shooting into the void, I would not be harming anyone then.
So, by that very same logic I just emited a sound, it was made by the friction of my lower lip with my upper teeth, followed by the clash of my tongue and the [thing that is above the tongue]. There I said it, alone in my room, it wasn't meant for anybody. Oh I said it again, one, two, three times I said. I'm evil, actually, now I a m three times more evil than before (four if you count the hypothetical shot).
My advice is that you take it easy, tolerance (the few we have) is what is keeping us together, so I suggest you use it from time to time.
OK, OK, I give up, you seem to have a strong will against cursing, you could use that willpower to acomplish great things if you can channel it correctly.
Okay, thanks. :D
You see, I told my mom and my friend about this belief, and they both think I'm crazy. ???
I'm not sure how or why, but something deep within me tells me Hyrule was at one time a real place(you can laugh now). On Earth too. Thats one reason I keep insisting that Hyrule WAS on Earth(if you've seen any of my other forums). I just feel these games, rather, these LEGENDS are too incredible to be purely fantasy. :o
Okay, you can call me crazy now. :(
Well, we're not going to call you crazy (or I'm not; Tacheon might in order to tick you off :P ); if we did, we'd be no better than society.
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 07:24:22 PM
*cougheventhoughyourwrongcough*
Sorry for doing the mods' work again, but don't say things like that unless you mean it as a joke; otherwise, it can be seen as trolling.
Do I think you're crazy? No; I just think you're delusional, what with your stance of "ZOMG! PROFANITY IS TEH EVIL!!!!!!" As said before, the world isn't black and white; there's no clear line between right and wrong, good and evil.
Okay, I am going to drop this "anti-profanity" forum now.
But if anyone wants to hear about this belief of mine, like I said, I MIGHT make a forum about it. If I get enough "yes" votes. :)
Don't get me wrong, I still hate profanity, and don't think it existed in Hyrule, but I'm not going to argue about it anymore. It is obvious I am the only one who thinks these things. :(
Well I do think that for a guy of your age, you are somewhat disconnected from reality. They are games made by a bunch of Japanese guys, there is nothing historicly relevant about them.
But of course, those are just my beliefs (or are they just mine?)
Well, my beleif includes how these Japanese guys did not exactly come up with the stories in the games, but rather one of them found an ancient book from which he translated the stories into the games. :o
Go on, call me a loon. I
don't really care. :'(
...
Y'know, profanity is different based on where you are. It's not in the Bible, it's not in the Constitution, it's all unwritten rules. I mean, in Britain 'spaz' is profanity. It's something completely manmade and subjective.
Here's my take on swearing: I don't care if others do it, just so long as they don't overdo it and use discretion and have respect for others when choosing to do so. If they overdo it, I think they sound like vulgar morons with a small vocabulary. Otherwise, I can tolerate others dropping the F-bomb or whatever now and then. People swearing is inevitable in any society, no matter how frowned-upon or discouraged it may be. In fact, that's probably one of the major reasons it's used: to break rules and be a rebel. Personally, I keep a cap on any swearing I may do, especially around others. I just feel this is being respectful.
Is a simple word, a simple arrangement of letters, really bad if nobody else saw it as bad. Swearing isn't wrong, it's only wrong because some people have a strange belief that it is. If you ban it you ban free speech.
For example, if I said the F Word now on this forum, would I get told off for saying a simple word which I don't see as offensie because some people don't like the word. I don't like certain things but you don't see me complaining to a moderator because it has offended me :P, point said.
Swearing has been around for ages!
People used to eff and blind to their hearts content, I'm not exactly sure how long ago but I'm pretty sure at least as far back as the British middle Ages.
The F word as you call it has been used for centuries it's only quite recently really become 'vulgar' to say it.
If people deemed it so you could make any word a swear word, for example a lot of our swear words we use were ctually created as softer terms to be used, but because they were used in place of the original words, they became just as 'offensive' themselves.
I said I was dropping this forum, NO MORE ARGUING!!! ???
Then if you like, I could lock the topic for you. If you want me to, feel free to ask. :D
I think he can too. I locked one of mine. Should be on the bottom left, below the newest post.
Follow the arrow. I
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Quote from: FishyRules on January 20, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
I think he can too. I locked one of mine. Should be on the bottom left, below the newest post.
Yeah, he can; I just didn't want to feel like I'm commanding him to lock it. >_<
Lazy bum...XD
Guess I might as well lock it before we get to spamming. I'll do so now.