Creation Logic

[MasterKeyX]

Anyway I am gonna have to say I don't believe in ID one bit.

this may sound incredibly stupid but... whats ID?

[darkphantomime]

ID stands for 'intelligent design' it is  a 'theory' (actually closer to hypothesis) that all life was created and engineered by an 'intelligent designer'. People are using this as an excuse to exempt evolution teaching in science class rooms.

[MasterKeyX]

Intelligent Designer...why dont they just call it God, i mean, isnt it the same concept?

[Gamefreak]

No because someone who doesn't believe in God, but says God, shows a weakness to their group.

[LadyNintendo]

ID is mixing religion with science. It allows evolution, but triggered and controlled by a "higher being" (aka God, but they usually don't say that specifically).

I'm a fullblood atheist and I respect believers (well, the ones that don't mind showing they can think for themselves and don't get all violent when they feel offended). However, the ID-theory is just pathetic. Maybe it once could've been a good answer for religious people, but after their incredible long denial of evolution, a theory that becomes less theory and more truth every day, ID sounds like a very sad final attempt to make a deal.

Either accept evolution or don't. You're free to choose. Besides, evolution does not deny the existance of God, it only suggests that he may be different than what most(?) people would expect. I mean, the fact that not the earth, but the sun is the center of the/our universe also was troubling for religion, but it survived.

[MasterKeyX]

Oh, i see. But my religion (Catholic) does'nt believe in ID. After all, you can have a religion and still believe in evolution (like myself)

[Gamefreak]

I acknowledge evolution, but I don't believe that is our origin.

[MasterKeyX]

hey, i pray to the Lord everynight and i still believe in evolution (to an extent). It's all about what you choose.

[Hi no Seijin]

I honestly don't see what the fuss is.  It's so far into the past I could really care less about how life got onto the planet.  What matters to me is that life exists, I exist, and people I care about and who care about me back exist.  Also there are people who contribute to my happiness and people I hope I spread happiness too.  Why does it really matter how life got here?  Let's just except the fact that life somehow got here and stop putting too much thought into it.

I swear, humans think too much sometimes.

[MasterKeyX]

We do, we do. Sometimes we think so much we never find a solution.

[LadyNintendo]

I disagree. Just because certain knowledge does not affect your direct surroundings, doesn't mean it's unimportant. It does not affect us personally, but it's part of us. If mankind would have thought like that throughout the ages, I can guarantee we would not be and have what we are and have now. Evolution and the start of it are fascinating. Even if that knowledge can't be used for anything, it leads to new discoveries that do affect us.

[MasterKeyX]

i know we're kinda in a good discussion, and i hate to be the wet blanket,but we're a little off topic.

[LadyNintendo]

Well, the topicstarter left, so I guess we can discuss anything related to this. A shame though, because I really wanted to hear his arguments.  ::)
"We may not be able to physically prove God exists, but we can determine that he does by logical means."

Yes, I am being a little sarcastic. As soon as he figured out it wasn't "wise" (he read: allowed) to start such a topic, he left. I do not wish to say anything bad about him, but it does sound to me like he was trying to convince a few atheists God exists rather than start a discussion. I still would have loved to hear his arguments though.

[Jack]

I'm a fullblood atheist and I respect believers (well, the ones that don't mind showing they can think for themselves and don't get all violent when they feel offended).

I feel I should out myself as an atheist as well. Which I'm sure Rincewind would find ironic because I assume he pictures me as some modern day Protector of the Faith. And, Lady N, it's good to know there are other atheists out there that aren't  you-know-what-holes about their beliefs (or, appropriately, lack thereof).

[MasterKeyX]

yeah, Harashi left after alot of us told him it wasnt wise to start a discussion. Anyway, I hate it when religious people get all offended about atheists. It's annoying. You should just leave an atheist alone. If they wanna be atheist, then that fine, no need to hassle them.