Timeline discussion

[Lokes]

This new topic was started mostly due to the fact that I did not find the discussion topic anywhere else. So I thought it would at least be time to create one, though i vaguely remember we had one back in the days I was posting like hoppetie-hoo here.

Anyways, I have been on a long and sole journey through a couple of forums and then ended up here again. I see there are quite a few changes made since Jack went rockety to the moonshineland and I must say you've all done a great job!

However this is not the theme we are here to discuss, please welcome me back later or something, if any of you at all remember my energetic posts along with the spammer Medli and that other dude she went rampage with.

I am here to represent a theory which I do not think we've fingered on for a while. Please ignore the perverce way to read that last sentence, I'm from Norway, tolerate me, endure me, love me.

I have to present the forum I found the following theory at, it is the norths hugest game-magazine and I guess you've all heard of it: Gamereactor.

At the norwegian forum (there are Finnish, Sweedish and Danish too) I found this guy who at the forum goes under the name Zechez. I presented your chronological timeline-theory and he disagreed for some reason.
I then decided to take his theory up to the magnificent folks at the colosus and ask the main-brains surrounding the game.

He insisted, even though Nintendo has revealed Ocarina as the first game that The Minish Cap was the first game. He pointed out several points to back this up.

He said: In MC Link first recieves his trademark: the green hat.
(Now I say that I see Link doesn't even recieve the green hat in OoT, he's always had it as a part of his Kokiri garb, plus I seem to recall Link recieving the so called "Hero of Time's clothes" in many different games that occur later than that.)

He also says the following:
In TP there are 8 sages, and remembering OoT there are all together 7 sages.
(However, Princess Zelda is in TP as well, and she is a sage, isn't she? Does that mean that TP contains in all nine sages? This cannot be, also; there were sages even before the ones that are present in OoT, I seem to recall Raru the sage of light tell us about the other sages. Now my memory is a tad rusty, and it might be that the sages then settled in the bodies of Saria, Impa and the others? Help me out guys)

That was basically everything he had to say on the matter, to me it seems like he is short on footing when making his statement, but he has a lot of brains on the Zelda-theme, so we'll have to wait and see what he says next.

Besides, I love you guys, and thank you in advance for the responce on this topic!  ;D

[Commodore Axilon]

He said: In MC Link first recieves his trademark: the green hat.
(Now I say that I see Link doesn't even recieve the green hat in OoT, he's always had it as a part of his Kokiri garb, plus I seem to recall Link recieving the so called "Hero of Time's clothes" in many different games that occur later than that.)

Agreed. This is the dumbest reason.

As you said, most of Link's incarnation's clothes are based off the Hero of Time's clothes. We all know that those clothes were traditional Kokiri garb.

Now, unless he has any evidence that traditional Kokiri clothing is based off TMC Link's clothes, he has no case.

He also says the following:
In TP there are 8 sages, and remembering OoT there are all together 7 sages.
(However, Princess Zelda is in TP as well, and she is a sage, isn't she? Does that mean that TP contains in all nine sages? This cannot be, also; there were sages even before the ones that are present in OoT, I seem to recall Raru the sage of light tell us about the other sages. Now my memory is a tad rusty, and it might be that the sages then settled in the bodies of Saria, Impa and the others? Help me out guys)

I don't really see how this has anything to do with TMC being first. If you could clarify?

[Lokes]

Haha, no I can't and I told him that what he said there was unclear in the manner that the number of sages seems to err.

Now I will update on his great spoken words as soon as he posts them in my dearest guest book, or something similar.


Mod_

He already has, It will take some time to translate. Please hold!

Mod_

Here comes a kickbarn long stretchpost! So hold your ears! I seem to have overestimated his knowledge about Zelda a great lot. I apologise for boiling this up when the guy havent reflected upon his theories.

He says the following; Around year 2000 A.D. Shigeru Miyamoto says that OoT is the first game chronologically. In year _2005_ (underscore) about five years after Shigeru said that OoT was the first game they release TMC. This is VERY important when the game guaranteed was not planned when Shigeru proclaimed that OoT was the first "story".
Now, how can I say that MC was not planned until after OoT was said to be the first game?
Because the process of making the game was begun 3-4 years after OoT was announced the first game! And I do not think that Nintendo plan new Zelda games so far ahead.
If it was planned around year 2000, when OoT was announced to be the first, is irrelevant when none else than Miyamoto and the president for Nintendo could've known about the project (TMC) when OoT was announced to be the first game Chronologically.
Any game released after year 2000, or rather, every game after OoT could be games that "occurred" before OoT!

The next paragraph goes like this, remember that this is only translated from him:

At a given time Link was in OoT delivered from his mother to the Kokiri and the Deku Tree.
- In MC Link lives with a weapon-smith. After Link received his cap from the wizard and minish Ezlo at the end of the game (I am unsure if he meant between when he got the cap and the end of the game or not.) there is an open timespace where anything could've happened.
It is possible that Four Swords follows TMC when it is Ganondorf one have to defeat again.
I am currently playing four swords now and towards the end there might be something occurring that might disagree with my own theory.
However, if my theory is to be correct the mother of Link would have to picked him up at the smith where he lives to deliver him to the Kokiris (What the...?). Perhaps there is an adventure after TMC [Not yet released] where he passes out and his mother picks him up to deliver him to the Kokiri. (He must've forgotten that Link is an infant when his mother deliveres him at OoT. I'll tell him.)
Yet he points out: perhaps it is not his mother that picks him up, but a stranger woman that claims to be? (I will also tell him about the war and shiet.)
He ends that paragraph by saying he'll have to complete TMC again to re-confirm his beliefs.
(It seems he is loosing his footing indeed)

The next paragraph goes like this:

If your internet-page claims that TWW follows MM before TMC they are horribly mistaken. In TWW Hyrule was flooded by a mighty (what he calls a "sinflood" like in Noah and the Arc) flood and lies "buried" beneath the ocean. TWW is the partially last game in the series only followed by TPH.

(Now I will tell him how the flood occurred and point out the changing of the master-swords)

This is the last paragraph of relevance:

A Theory I support is this one:
At the end of OoT Zelda sends Link back to his childhood, this creates two existing Zelda-universes.
- One with a grown Zelda and no Ganon, but no real Link either. In this timeline you play the person(s) chosen by the gods to complete Links mission, where they defeat evil.
- One with Link as a kid with all the memories from OoT's entire storyline. Link and Zelda warns the King of Hyrule about Ganon and his evil intetions, and Ganon is stopped. In this timeline you play the real link while he grows bigger.

(Oh my, I have a lot to share with this guy. I guess I'll just redirect him tou you all and let him read on his own. Anything else I should tell him?)

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[larwaa]

Am I mistaken if I say Shigeru once said TMC is the first, not OoT? Because I think I've read that some place.

[MagmarFire]

I don't think he did, but it's possible. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, though, because in TMC at the beginning, there was a mentioning of another "hero," so it only seems logical that events must've taken place before that. They may or may not be included in the games, but if a hero is mentioned at that time in said game, I don't really see why it could be the first.

I got nothing, I guess.

[ZeldaFreak]

He insisted, even though Nintendo has revealed Ocarina as the first game that The Minish Cap was the first game. He pointed out several points to back this up.

He said: In MC Link first recieves his trademark: the green hat.
(Now I say that I see Link doesn't even recieve the green hat in OoT, he's always had it as a part of his Kokiri garb, plus I seem to recall Link recieving the so called "Hero of Time's clothes" in many different games that occur later than that.)

**SPOILER**

This is stupid because isn't the "hat" in MC accually ezlo? I thought he got turned back to minish at the end of the game.  ;D

**END SPOILER**

Also, please correct me if I'm wrong. ;)

[The Glamour Nazi]

*MORE SPOILER* Ezlo transforms the evil wish hat thing into the green hat and gives it to Link thus starting the tradition* also they mention gustaf in the intro. The only time they name a hero by name. EVER.

[Hi no Seijin]

**SPOILER**

This is stupid because isn't the "hat" in MC accually ezlo? I thought he got turned back to minish at the end of the game.  ;D

**END SPOILER**

Also, please correct me if I'm wrong. ;)

For most of the game, the hat Link is wearing is Ezlo, but when you beat the game, the ending cutscene shows Ezlo, in his true form, creating a green hat for Link.

[ZeldaFreak]

*MORE SPOILER* Ezlo transforms the evil wish hat thing into the green hat and gives it to Link thus starting the tradition* also they mention gustaf in the intro. The only time they name a hero by name. EVER.

For most of the game, the hat Link is wearing is Ezlo, but when you beat the game, the ending cutscene shows Ezlo, in his true form, creating a green hat for Link.

Thanx for clarifying its been a while since i played it. ;)