Subrosia

[Mysterious F.]

If any of you played the Oracles, you'll remember the subrosians, the short robed guys, from a land (Subrosia) you can only reach through portals in Holodrum. But there are several things left unexplained.

Have you noticed how there are little houses at all in Subrosia, not even Rosa, a famous pop star in Subrosia (she had the ribbon) had a house. They only ones are the smithy, a house north of smithy, one south (had Gasha Seed in it), the chef's house, the wierd brother's house, the gravekeeper's house, the Great Furnace, and the sign loving guy's house. Only eight houses in all. This could mean Subrosia is a poor country, seeing as most citizens are found outside. Also, several are found with buckets of Ore Chunks (Subrosian currency), meaning they are trying to raise money.

Never the less, the Subrosians are a rich culture, full of dancing, bomb flowers, boomerangs, a grave system, valuable ores for making swords and shields, and keys that unlock any doors. Their only real store, the Subrosian Traders, is really just a place to trade goods rather than buy them, leading some to believe they are a trading culture. But, because the only way to reach Subrosia is through Holodrum, and how Subrosia keeps itself secret, this is more likely a way to get something you want so you have chances to get money. In the market, seeds, hearts, heart pieces, rings, ribbons, ore chunks, and Gasha Seeds have been found in the Traders.

Now, for linked games. In a game where OOA links to OOS, you'll find Queen Ambi go to the gravekeeper's house when you give the Skeleton Captain his bell (they were lovers). The portal she used could be the one in the boat (before you get the boat out of the desert, go in it through the desert and push the yellow crate away and go up the stairs into Subrosia), since you already unlocked the desert at that point.

Now, OOS linked to OOA, when the Tokay steal all your stuff, the one who gives back your shovel in a non-linked game is chased away by Rosa (this is in the past). Later, she appears in the part of Goron City before the dance hall, in the present. It is unknown how this happens, seeing she went to two different time periods. Go to the dance hall in the past, and you'll find subrosians there instead of Gorons there to dance. Some of them will talk about making a dance similar to the Goron Dance, meaning the Gorons inspired the Subrosian civilization. This also indicates that the Subrosians, back then, were active with Holodrum and the Subrosians had ships to sail to Labrynna with.

[Hi no Seijin]

Have you noticed how there are little houses at all in Subrosia, not even Rosa, a famous pop star in Subrosia (she had the ribbon) had a house.

Okay, I'm going to say this again.  Just because we don't see it in the game doesn't mean it's not there.  Hyrule and all of the other lands are huge.  And the game catridges or whatever are not able to hold every single detail about a large country.  Some things have to be left out.  Subrosia could actually be the size of the United States and Russia put together, but there would be no way to show that on the Game Boy Color.  Sure, Subrosia could be a poor country, but basing that solely on how many houses you see in the game is a bad idea.

[Mysterious F.]

Actually, if you press select in Subrosia to look at the map, you'll see it's really a tiny island surrounded by lava.
Also, if you can't put pieces together, I implied that its current isolation from the world could have much to do with it. The market thing also did a little to help.

[Hi no Seijin]

*sighs*  Listen carefully.  Hyrule and the other lands are huge.  The game cannot show all of this; the catridges simply do not have that ability.  Even a CD can't do that; can you really expect to show every single detail, ranging from hard-to-reach landscapes to invidual people, about Earth on one disc?  We see a minimized version of Hyrule and the other places, including Subrosia.  We do not see all of it, even on maps.  And you cannot honestly think that an entire civilization consist of only about twenty or so members; it's a rather foolish thing to think.

[Mysterious F.]

It consists of about 75 in all, and it is just one little island, probably poor but wealthy in other ways. The ones who own houses are usually the rich feudual lords who rule small, surrounding areas, or so it seems.

[Hi no Seijin]

75 members is hardly a civilization; it's more of a community.  And are you listening to a thing I say?!  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIT AN ENTIRE NATION INTO ONE GAME!  JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT THERE!  Even if that island was small and only had 75 Subrosians in it, there very well could be other islands with more Subrosians on it.

[Mysterious F.]

Most likely not, because Nintendo probably wanted it only one small place, not several scattered places. Plus, the trees in Subrosia are most likely not good for ships (they're the same as the Dark World trees in LTTP), and it is least likely they have something else, because Ore melts in lava. Plus, you're looking at real life. 75 is big for a Zelda Civilization. It's probably the population of Holodrum (excluding characters only available through linked games and non humans).

[Hi no Seijin]

75 is big for a Zelda civilization my butt.  What is so damn hard to comprehend about this?  YOU CANNOT SHOW A WHOLE CIVILIZATION IN A SINGLE VIDEO GAME!!!  If you're going to insist on calling the Subrosians a civilization, then you have to realize that they would need more than 75 members.  If you want to call them a community, then fine, but a civilization they are not if they only have 75 members.

[darkphantomime]

Guys, Guys guys, Caaaaaaaaaaaalm down...

heh, I don't think the subrosians really need shelter. I mean, there's no form of weather or any type of thing we surface people are used to. The only thing that they MIGHT need shelter from is the volcanic eruptions, but they already show that they enjoy lava baths. ah well... Maybe they live in the caves, seeing as Subrosia is just one really big cave alll to it's own.

[Mysterious F.]

You know, it makes sence.

Also, Hi no Seijin:  
I'd never expect that from you of all people, although I do abmit I did anger you a bit, I'm not going to say it's totally my fault. First Warning.

[Evilslayer]

Have you ever heard of a land called Iceland? That's a very big island. What I'm trying to say is that just because it's an island doesn't mean that it's small.

EDIT: One example of how the games doesn't show it the way it's supposed to be is ALttP. In the game the castle is surrounded by a river. However, on the title screen you can clearly see that the 'river' is not a river at all, but a lake.

[Mysterious F.]

I half noticed that, but I just thought that the land was too high and the river moved around it.

[Evilslayer]

Well, there's also the Goron who comes to town in OoT. Count the number of Gorons who inhabit Goron City before he appear in the Bazaar, and then count after he's appeared. You'll notice that the number of Gorons inhabiting Goron City stays the same.

[Mysterious F.]

Well, if you notice, in a game starting with OOS, when you beat Onox, several of them go away, namely the ones who complained on the volcanoes and stuff.

[Hi no Seijin]

Doesn't mean they went to Labrynna.  They could've stayed in Subrosia, but you just can't see where in Subrosia.