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Started by MatthewThief, July 01, 2007, 11:37:58 AM

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darkphantomime

What is the Triforce of Power? A meer plot device, an excuse to reuse Ganon a thousand times. But I am quite sure that Nintendo will think up something in order to keep one of the few villains to attract a fangirl base living, right?

DW

Hehe...I wouldn't be too surprised if they released a game about Vaati's past...I can hear them squealing now..
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darkphantomime

Squealling like just about every fremo on the planet would (BOTH male AND female).

LadyNintendo

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Quote from: Whocares on July 02, 2007, 03:39:52 PM
I actually think that Ganon is largely overused and that another mjaor villian should be used more. Vaati is now dead and we can't do anything pre-MC. Veran and Onox are dead. Twinrova has basically been taken out of the series. Agahnim has had some references and minor appearances outside of LTTP (LA and OOS), but he basically matters little anymore. Zant died. The only major villains left are Skullkid and Dark Link, more so for the latter.

Ganon in TLOZ: "Aaargh, I'm dead."
Ganon in TAOL: "Why won't Link die, so I can come back thanks to some blood ritual thingy." (- Wouldn't know of any reason why that wouldn't work for the other villains. Note that Ganon doesn't have the ToP in this game, but still *could* come back.)
Ganon in ALTTP: "Aaargh, I'm dead."
Dethl in LA: "I'm a villain too! Why does EVERYONE always forget about little me!"
Ganon in OOT: "I'll be back."
Majora in MM: "The evil has left the mask. Guess where I'm hiding NOW." (- Just pointing out he/she/it doesn't have to be dead. After all, we don't know WHAT Majora is.)
Ganon in OOA/OOS: "Not again!"
Vaati in FS: "Hi & bye"
Ganon in TWW: "Give me a couple of hundred years! In the mean time, have fun with my evil that has spread across the world in the short time I was back."
Vaati in TMC: "*ring* Hey Ganon, mind giving me step-by-step instructions on how to escape from a magical sword's seal?"
Vaati in FSA: "Let Ganon do his own dirty work. I'm free and getting the heck out of here! (- That, or Nintendo will come up with another little plot device. Any idea how popular Vaati is? It would be cheaper for them to start using 10000 Yen biljets as toilet paper then to actually let him die.)
Ganon in FSA: "Smells like Vaati has been here."
Ganon in TP: "Still standing..... Oh, wait..."
Zant in TP: "Hedndndhednden Dedehndenden" (- okay, silly humor aside, there are thousands of ways Zant could come back, with or without Ganon's help.)
?? in PH: - only time will tell. :)

Those I did not post because I do not consider them villains an sich, due to them being Ganon's henchmen, rather than standalone villains with their own ambitions:
Twinrova in OOT: "This wasn't supposed to happen."
Twinrova in OOA/OOS: ''Nor was this."
Veran & Onox in OOA/OOS: "You'll be sorry for destroying us.....one day, when Nintendo needs a break from Ganon again."
Agahnim in ALTTP: "As long as there's Nintendo, there is......character recycling!"

Vaati

I'd just like to point out to JQ that Vaati didn't die three times, he was sealed away in MC and FS and heaven knows what happened to him in FSA.
I think in FSA after Vaati was defeated, he didn't really die, he just gave up and stuck with the fact that at least he was free.

darkphantomime

3 game appearances as bosses = 3 'deaths'. It's all the same, really. Death in video games is NOT real, people.

MatthewThief

nintendo neglects their bad guys they invent  >:(
Vaati and Dark are 2 of the most coolest vilains ever invented

DW

Only because they aren't in every game. If they were, you would tire of them
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Bboy94

You know what would be a cool charcter? Like there is some ultimate evil(god of evil or something) that is trying to break through, but the main villian of the game is actually several people trying to break the big evil thing free. And one of the villians, the strongest or something, has a crush on Link.  :P So she is trying to turn him to evil, fighting on both sides to keep him alive.

Mysterious F.

*Ahem*
Majora is a dark, evil tribe that created Majora's Mask. In the manga, Majora was an evil god-dragon that was cursed into the form of a mask.

FINALLY! Someone else realizes what I have! *Gives Shikamaru a car*

The problem with any fictional series (anime, video games, etc.) is that a large number of them overuse the characters. For example, in anime, I prefer the characters that don't get all the screentime in the series like the main characters do. This goes the same for Ganon, he's largely overused. They should get a new main villian.

And also, that spirit wasn't Vaati's. That was Ganon.

IronKnuckle

I saw a movie on Youtube that used a GS on OOT to make 4 links in the same colors of the 4 swords links. I think having Vaati in 3D would be cool, but a new villian would be even better.

DW

I would prefer it if said new boss didn't have a fetish for playing energy ball tennis..
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Fishalicious

I'm actually quite fond of energy ball tennis. I like to use an empty bottle. ;D

But I would enjoy Vaati to be in 3-D. He's a major enough villain to be in more than 3 games.

As for Dark Link... you guys know how much I love him. But I don't know, he seems to make a better annoying re-spawning enemy and a one-time boss.

Skull kid is not a boss, guys! He's a puppet. Much like how in Twilight Princess: (highlight to read; spoilers)

Zelda is Ganondorf's puppet. She's not a bad guy!

Majora's Mask is the evil one, not Skull Kid! He's just confused/being used.

Hey, perhaps the power from Majora's Mask could respawn into Vaati? That'd be one way to bring someone back to life, I suppose...

darkphantomime

And besides, the whole 'big god/villain behind the villain' seems just like a cheap way of putting things to an end to me. It's a plot device that is ill devised and used when the writers have lead themselves into a corner from which they cannot use any other device to get out of. In other words, it's cheap and not so favored. Mainly because the motivations of this 'dark-omni-god' are never revealed and developed, which makes it pretty weak.

Yeah, I know a lot about literary criticism and usage of plot elements. So sue me.

LadyNintendo

Whocares > That's the manga's version. I don't take the manga as canon.

Licky the Swampert > Eeeeh, if you want to see the TLOZ series beat itself to death, then that would be a great plan. However, if you want to see the series continue, it's best not to use a "full out ultimate baddie villain ruler of evil & co.". First of all, it's nearly impossible to go to a lower level once you've hit the roof. Any other villain would feel like nothing to such a baddie, and thus would be unusable as villain in the sequels to come. Secondly, those kind of villains are never fun. They're poorly designed, have no intriguing aspects, and their motivations and intentions are either never revealed or good for a 5-minutes laugh.

As for the "romance" aspect: TLOZ hardly has any in it (qua main characters). One of the reasons I like this is because pretty much every other game has the philosphy that a boy and a girl can't be just friends, or merely partners for the time being. No, they have to get romanticly involved. I really don't get this obsession of people with romance-love.