You know, in such a high stress time like this, what with our country constantly on the brink of disaster, I think now would be a good time for a drink.
I'm sorry... I can't help it, I'm just a bit anxious, but as soon as the election is over things will get back to a somewhat 'normal' state.
You know what I'm sick of hearing? The republican attacks, it's getting ridiculous and it's extremely ugly. There have been some dangerous dangerous words thrown out there, some dangerous and erroneous statements and even death threats against those who express their political opinion. This is shameful, this is ugly, this is beyond words, really.
The Robocalls giving out false rumors, the mail-in DVD thats anti-Muslim Propaganda, The letters marked 'terrorist' and when you open it, you see a picture of Obama and quote "Not who you think he is".
Why are the republicans standing for such low, baseless attacks? But now it's in the game where we know everythings in a desperate state.
There are threats against Mr. Obama's life. If Obama is assassinated, this country will go to absolute hell (even more so than now) faster than you can say 'revolution'.
I've gotten the same kind of letters. Kids at my school are buzzing with rumors on the man. And they always say, put Obama and Nation together. Obamanation. They say they could care less if Obama wins since he'll just be killed soon after.
Thing is, the Democrats have been fighting dirty as well. The difference is that McCain isn't authorizing these smears, it's racists and fanatics. Obama and Biden have been getting nast themselves, and...honestly, both sides of the campaign are irritating me. I try not to worry about it though. America's been in worse situations before.
Yeah. I wouldn't be acting as though the Democrats are pure. Neither side is playing nice. It's politics as usual.
Quote from: Shika on October 23, 2008, 06:34:25 AM
Thing is, the Democrats have been fighting dirty as well. The difference is that McCain isn't authorizing these smears, it's racists and fanatics.
The Robocalls, the letters, all that, that's direct from the Mccain campaign. What have Obama and Biden done to justify this type of behavior that the opponent smears and associates Obama with terrorism? Mccain has continually run the nastiest campaign of modern history when he originally pledged to keep it clean. He's even using the same company that George W. used to smear Mccain back in 2000!
Drinking is vair good at making one forget what one does not want to remember, I know it sounds utterly foolish but it helped me a lot =)
I think it's getting stupid on both sides, but I ceratinly seem to be much more aware of the serious stuff by the Republicans.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on October 23, 2008, 07:14:27 AM
Quote from: Shika on October 23, 2008, 06:34:25 AM
Thing is, the Democrats have been fighting dirty as well. The difference is that McCain isn't authorizing these smears, it's racists and fanatics.
The Robocalls, the letters, all that, that's direct from the Mccain campaign. What have Obama and Biden done to justify this type of behavior that the opponent smears and associates Obama with terrorism? Mccain has continually run the nastiest campaign of modern history when he originally pledged to keep it clean. He's even using the same company that George W. used to smear Mccain back in 2000!
As a worker for the McCain campaign, I can tell you that the Robocalls are made by volunteers who transfer every call to the answering machine.
That is, assuming we're thinking of the automated machine calls.
But is that any excuse for the content of the calls? NOPE!
For me, I find it best to just not watch TV very much. After all, how much good can come out of it if all you hear is fruitless attacks? We'll just have to wait this out, I guess. The Big Man Upstairs will make everything better in the end...
In my oppinion, it's time we took things into our own hands, and stopped waiting for "the big man upstairs" to take care of it. Yeah, it gets dirty every year, and yeah the Democrats are nasty too. But from what I've seen, Obama is smeared due to assumed ethnicity and color. If McCain is screwed with, it's not because he's white. Mud slinging is natural, but when a man/women's color, and religion is brought into it, and he/she is attacked solely on that. Then that when the issue needs to be taken into biased hands.
Uh, I think you mean Unbiased here.
QuoteDemocrats are nasty too. But from what I've seen, Obama is smeared due to assumed ethnicity and color.
I'd like you to bring up one time that McCain has used that as an attack. Obama's made his race an issue more than once, but not McCain.
The Confirmation Bias at work, folks! Hear and see solely what you want to hear and see!
How about this one, Republicans accuse Powell of endorsing Obama because of race (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/limbaugh-george-will-powe_n_135968.html)
Or how about the infamous remark where Mccain called Obama "That one"? (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/07/obama-campaign-takes-issue-with-mccains-that-one-remark/)
Quote from: Gamefreak on October 24, 2008, 07:49:28 AM
QuoteDemocrats are nasty too. But from what I've seen, Obama is smeared due to assumed ethnicity and color.
I'd like you to bring up one time that McCain has used that as an attack. Obama's made his race an issue more than once, but not McCain.
In the USA times on October 4th, front page, with a picture of Sarah Palin and McCain it says, and I quote "Palin accusing Barrak of 'Buddying around with terrorists'."
The fact that Obama is alegedly Muslim has also been brought up once or twice.
OBAMA IS NOT MUSLIM MSFKLJAKLTB
That was established so long ago...
And yet ignorant people STILL think he's arab/muslim/terrorist. That's the point really.
Also, I just voted via Absentee. GET OUT THERE AND VOTE!
They hooked America into thinking he was Muslim by showing the footage of him not saluting the flag in the Pledge of Allegience.
There sure must be a lot of Muslims at my school then.
at GF: how about this email? (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/pennsylvania-republicans-send-false-anti-obama-e-mail/)
Quote from: Takun on October 24, 2008, 01:47:37 PM
Quote from: Gamefreak on October 24, 2008, 07:49:28 AM
QuoteDemocrats are nasty too. But from what I've seen, Obama is smeared due to assumed ethnicity and color.
I'd like you to bring up one time that McCain has used that as an attack. Obama's made his race an issue more than once, but not McCain.
In the USA times on October 4th, front page, with a picture of Sarah Palin and McCain it says, and I quote "Palin accusing Barrak of 'Buddying around with terrorists'."
The fact that Obama is alegedly Muslim has also been brought up once or twice.
The "palling around with terrorist" remark referred to Obama's relationship with domestic terrorist William Ayers. Not the Al Queda group or The Taliban.
And JQ:
1. Those people do not speak for John McCain. They are people with opinions on things.
Rush Limbaugh? Of course he'd say things like that.
Pat Buchanan? Same boat.
2. What John McCain meant by that one is up to anyone to interpret. To say that he meant it as a racist attack is as much conjecture as any other interpretation of it.
3. And finally, regarding the e-mail. As an Obama supporter, you should know all about people who are close to the candidate saying things or doing things they shouldn't have. So don't act high and mighty on this point.
How about giving some examples of these "people who are close to the candidate saying things or doing things they shouldn't have" on Obama's side?
Quote2. What John McCain meant by that one is up to anyone to interpret. To say that he meant it as a racist attack is as much conjecture as any other interpretation of it
Then what's YOUR interpretation of what he said?
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on October 25, 2008, 06:48:21 AM
How about giving some examples of these "people who are close to the candidate saying things or doing things they shouldn't have" on Obama's side?
Quote2. What John McCain meant by that one is up to anyone to interpret. To say that he meant it as a racist attack is as much conjecture as any other interpretation of it
Then what's YOUR interpretation of what he said?
I'm paraphrasing these, so they're probably not exact quotes.
His former pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God damn America"
His wife: "This is the first time in my adult life that I've ever been proud of my country"
His Vice-Presidential running mate: "If he's elected, there will be an international crisis. A generated crisis, to test the mettle of this man"
He's no longer associated with his pastor, he has already broken all ties with him.
with his VP: Was that before or after Obama made Joe Biden his VP? If before, it is no longer valid.
With his wife, so she cannot express discontent with this country as it has been over the past 2 decades with so much corruption in power that we have seen?
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on October 25, 2008, 11:06:45 AM
He's no longer associated with his pastor, he has already broken all ties with him.
with his VP: Was that before or after Obama made Joe Biden his VP? If before, it is no longer valid.
With his wife, so she cannot express discontent with this country as it has been over the past 2 decades with so much corruption in power that we have seen?
He broke the ties with Wright "after" he found out he said those things about America.
And Biden said that maybe a week ago.
There's no denying that our country is going through a crisis right now though. What with the economy in shambles, and George Bush all but a lame duck.
The whole world is going through a crisis, it sucks.
I hate the credit crunch, we had our speech day the other day, and our guest speaker just went on and on about our recession, likening it to the Cuban missile Crisis. So depressing.
There really isnt a point in saying that McCain will some how get this country to do better with the snap of his fingers. This country is gunna be in a ditch for another president or two. Thats all they really aim for, is to fix the mistakes the former one left, make their own, and repeat.
I'm not saying that McCain is God's gift to America.
All I'm saying is that I prefer him to Obama.
Also, fun fact. I live less than 20 minutes away from Joe the Plumber.
Quote from: Takun on October 26, 2008, 03:56:27 AM
There really isnt a point in saying that McCain will some how get this country to do better with the snap of his fingers. This country is gunna be in a ditch for another president or two. Thats all they really aim for, is to fix the mistakes the former one left, make their own, and repeat.
I was under the impression that most of them care more for being reelected than anything else.
Quote from: Gamefreak on October 26, 2008, 05:33:11 AM
I'm not saying that McCain is God's gift to America.
All I'm saying is that I prefer him to Obama.
Also, fun fact. I live less than 20 minutes away from Joe the Plumber.
Your like my uncle. He thinks that he's just choosing the lesser of two evil my voting McCain.
Quote from: MagmarFire on October 26, 2008, 07:10:24 AM
Quote from: Takun on October 26, 2008, 03:56:27 AM
There really isnt a point in saying that McCain will some how get this country to do better with the snap of his fingers. This country is gunna be in a ditch for another president or two. Thats all they really aim for, is to fix the mistakes the former one left, make their own, and repeat.
I was under the impression that most of them care more for being reelected than anything else.
I laughed. Even if it was serious. I laughed.
I didn't refer to McCain as the lesser of two evils. But I doubt either candidate will be able to accomplish every thing they say.