Ganon?

[Pale Dim]

I'm agreeing with Aero.

[MasterKeyX]

i've looked at the compendium, i just never thought that Zelda would be used to braibwash people!

[LadyNintendo]

Hehe, me neither. It's just an argument I found when specifically looking at the Hylian royal family as power hungry people.....And I still can't get over the Great Fairy also needing Zelda's Lullaby part.

But apart from them, after TWW, I just don't believe Ganondorf is plain evil. Phht, he treated the captured Zelda decently, he didn't intend to kill Zelda and Link, and just what he said.....I felt like going in the game and give him a big warm hug promising everything would be okay. At least till that point, I don't think he would've been a bad leader. He just used violence in the past because he knew he couldn't compete with the HRF.  

[MasterKeyX]

because he was an outlaw, right?

[Evilslayer]

And why the faeries?

They don't bow to the King.

But apart from them, after TWW, I just don't believe Ganondorf is plain evil. Phht, he treated the captured Zelda decently, he didn't intend to kill Zelda and Link, and just what he said.....I felt like going in the game and give him a big warm hug promising everything would be okay. At least till that point, I don't think he would've been a bad leader. He just used violence in the past because he knew he couldn't compete with the HRF.  

Do you remember OoT? Ganon is a master of deception. Besides, he would be a bad leader. He let his mask fall when he stretched out his hand and demanded the Triforce to give him Hyrule.

[MasterKeyX]

yea, i dont think hed ever be a good ruler. if he was a truly good leader, hed be able to posses the whole Triforce, like Link does.

[LadyNintendo]

Yes, they do. Otherwise, tell me, how do I have to get a Great Fairy to talk to me without using Zelda's Lullaby?

And for part 2, back then, it was pretty obvious he wasn't really loyal. He had the whole "I'm loyal. What, what evil grin?" thing going on. Like, the only thing that could've been more clear to that brain-dead king or anyone, would've been about...ten signs pointing at him saying "Beware! Evil person" and then a skull. And lot of these babies: !. Don't forget he has become older, probably wiser. He has had a lot of time to think about his rather rash behaviour in those early days. He's also not being influenced by the Twinrova anymore. And uhh, what mask? What else could he have asked for after deciding to kidnap all girls with pointy ears in order to find Zelda? It's pretty obvious he wasn't gonna ask for chocolate cookies (hmm, chocolate cookies. :)) If he woul'd've gotten his wish done, would that have been so bad? Would the return of Old Hyrule be a bad thing? So what he has it. I'd rather be loyal to him than to OOT's HRF. At least there aren't signs everywhere claiming how all powerfull he is.

And Link doesn't possess the whole triforce, only courage. That's 1/3th (or since I sorta believe the fourth piece theory, 1/4th)

[Evilslayer]

That depends on what game you're referring to. It's Wisdom in LoZ, and the whole in AoL and ALttP. But the point is, he has a balanced heart. Ganon does not.

And in TWW Ganon have some moments where his mask falls. Like when he discovers that Tetra is Zelda, when he claims that the gods destroyed the Hyruleans, and when he demands Hyrule for himself.

The return of Old Hyrule would not be a bad thing in itself. However, Hyrule would fall under his dark rule once again. That's why he won't kill Link or Zelda. Killing them would be freeing them from that tyranny.

Yes, they do. Otherwise, tell me, how do I have to get a Great Fairy to talk to me without using Zelda's Lullaby?

Gameplay.

[Pale Dim]

Good point!

[LadyNintendo]

Again, what mask? Even at his most innocent moments, he was far from a saint. But even at his most evil moments, I felt sorry for him. Can you imagine how it must feel? You tried to get something you don't deserve less than "them"(!!!!!!), maybe not the best way possible, but anyway. You succeeded, untill that kid comes back after 7 years ruins everything. (For those that believe in Nabooru & Ganondorf, add that too. Otherwise, ignore). You get imprisoned for I have no clue how long in a realm that certainly isn't what you have hoped for in all those years. (note* please no stuff about events between these games, as we don't really know what to place there) Eventually, you come back to  discover that world to be gone. What you gonna do? Try it once more, that's what he did (admirable). And then, eventually, when you are so close to finally getting the one thing you always wanted, out of nowhere a fat, officially dead king comes and ruins everything. Tell me, do you really don't think he might have feelings? I know I would've grabbed the first living thing near me, and strangled it. And am I evil? No way, I'm a pacifist. :)

And dark rule? Again, if the Hyruleans would give him fair chance, I don't think he would be that bad.

Also, gameplay is no excuse. The song is in the story connected to the HRF only, and it is required WAY too many times. Besides, the texts in the game are enough proof.

[Evilslayer]

It is gameplay because Link is forced to talk to them to learn magic. He's a Hylian.

And Ganon is 'evil'. He was intended to be 'evil' since the first game. The only difference now is that he's a 3D villain, a villain with reasons. Trusting him to become a wise ruler would be a fatal error. He gets the Triforce of Power for a reason.

And why do you think he wants the Triforce? Power, of course. With it he will become a god, even above the three Goddesses. You complain that the Hylians supposedly makes all the other races bow to them. Do you think it would be better if even the Goddesses were made to bow to Ganon?

[MasterKeyX]

if the goddesse and the whole world had to bow to Ganon, it would be chaotic and unruly, and evil would spread throguhut Hyrule and kill hundreds. Hes evil. if you gave him a chance to rulew, he'd take over hyrule and destroy everything. You have been tricked by Ganons scheme.

[LadyNintendo]

There are so many times he first has to do something else before he can go along with the story again. And like, why for instance don't you have to use the the Song of Storms in the Water Temple? It would be more logical and less annoying. Well, I admit, using that song there isn't my real problem. The fact that according to the text the song has been HRF only for I-don't-how-long and it is stupidly required in a temple that is NOT their domain, just like the waterfall was NOT their domain. It's even a bit confusing. The HRF has way too much power.

And "intended" to be evil doesn't count. There have been more games that presented characters a certain way. But then, the game turned out to be a huge succes and they made sequals. And it's not that rare to see characters switch sides, due to new info being side-switched or getting reasons for their actions. It's called character development, and if it remains loyal to the aspects that make the character, it's a good thing.

And yes, maybe it wouldn't be good. Maybe it would be bad, really bad. But did he ever get a fair chance to prove himself? Nope, because he ain't of the HRF. Besides, what do we know about those goddesses? I know the Giants are okay, but I don't know anything about them. The spirit/god race has not really gotten much attention.

[MasterKeyX]

We know they created Hyrule, and gave it the Triforce, and created everything you see in Hyrule, so obviouslt they are good and can be trusted.

[Pale Dim]

Well, why do you think only someone in the balance gets the whole pie?