Ganon?

[LadyNintendo]

Creation is not proof of good intentions. But let's just drop that subject, because it's offtopic, and because I also just don't believe they're evil. More likely indifferent.

The new owner has to be in balance, because that symbolizes the goddesses' cooperation (when creating the world.) They all did their fair share of work. However, it is nowhere stated that person has to be good or evil or whatever. I think that if Ganondorf had been just a little less aggresive, he would've gotten the triforce.

[Evilslayer]

He also needs great wisdom. Wisdom is the opposite of corruption.

if the goddesse and the whole world had to bow to Ganon, it would be chaotic and unruly, and evil would spread throguhut Hyrule and kill hundreds. Hes evil. if you gave him a chance to rulew, he'd take over hyrule and destroy everything. You have been tricked by Ganons scheme.

Hundreds? More like thousands, or tens of thousands.

The fact that according to the text the song has been HRF only for I-don't-how-long and it is stupidly required in a temple that is NOT their domain, just like the waterfall was NOT their domain. It's even a bit confusing. The HRF has way too much power.

It's also required in GANON'S CASTLE, so it's nothing more than a gameplay element.

But did he ever get a fair chance to prove himself? Nope, because he ain't of the HRF.

He does get a chance. Seven years.

[Hi no Seijin]

...That's 1/3th (or since I sorta believe the fourth piece theory, 1/4th)

Umm, sorry for going off topic, but it's the Triforce.  Tri- meaning three.  Not four.  Tetra- or quad- is four.  If it was the Quadforce or the Tetraforce, then I would support a fourth piece.  But seeing as how it's called the Triforce, there are only three pieces.  That inverted triangle on the Hylian Shield is just there for decorative purposes, nothing more.

As for Ganon, he's willing to kill thousands to get to power.  Pure evil, no questions asked.  As for Ganondorf, that's a bit iffy.  I think of him in two ways.  One, he is possessed by Ganon, the Gerudo witches having chosen him as a vessel for their master.  'Dorf may have proven to be a good leader had it not been for the evil inside him.  Two, Ganondorf tried to take over Hyrule for the purposes stated in TWW, but the Triforce of Power corrupted him, turning him into Ganon.

[MasterKeyX]

He's evil, so he will never get a chance to rule, giving him a chance would be like giving a nuke to a terrorist.

[LadyNintendo]

Uhm, the Tetraforce does not exist, but a fourth piece is possible. Even if there were 132984632875645 pieces, it would still be the Triforce. It's about the shape, the triangle part, not the number of pieces. In the first game, it was already called the Triforce while there were only two pieces, with no intentions of a third piece. Think about it. Power is physical strength, wisdom mental strength. That duo only later became a trio, but it has always been called the Triforce for their/it's shape.

And earlier, I stated I think Ganondorf has become evil, but did not start as such and that I think there are enough arguments to feel sorry for him.

[MasterKeyX]

i will never feel sorry for him. HES EVIL.

[Hi no Seijin]

He may be evil, but why is he evil?  What he has done may be worthy of pity.  Listen to what Zelda says when you beat Ganondorf in OoT.  "Pitiful man.  Without a strong heart, he could not control the power of the Triforce."  (Or something very close to that.)

Let's also look at Gollum.  Once he was a hobbit, or something very much like a hobbit.  He was a good guy.  But then he came upon the One Ring, and it corrupted him.  He wasn't exactly evil, but his condition was pitiful.  He was tortured by the thought of it and not many had hope for him.  But Frodo took pity because he believed Gollum could be saved.

Also from The Lord of the Rings, Elrond said, "For nothing is evil in the beginning."  Ganondorf became evil because he lusted for power.  He killed to get it.  The same goes for Ganon, who may or may not believe to be the same person.  At one point, they were good.

Shifting the subject to Dark Link real quick, he's the same.  Sure, he was created to kill Link, but I think that had someone else created him or if Dark Link had left Ganondorf, he may not be evil.  Ganondorf was an influence on Dark Link.  He filled the shadow with hatred towards Link.  Dark Link could have very well been on Link's side.

[LadyNintendo]

The quote is "Pitiful man. Without a strong, righteous mind....etc." Makes him look more like someone who gets influenced by a lot of external factors rather than choosing his own path. "Weak minds" only follow a good path if they get the proper influences. It seems to me TWW Ganondorf behaved like he did (compared to OOT Ganondorf) because he has had time to realize that and grow.

And the righteous mind part is quite new. Like Zelda just put it in the sentence to mentally kick Ganondorf, the one she was unable to do anything against. (I don't blame her for the last part, but I do for the first part.)

[MasterKeyX]

you may have a point. he was good at one time, as is everyone. But he turned evil, and thats the bottom line.

[Pale Dim]

I thought it was because he was power hungry. Either that, or it was the way Twinrova raised him.

[MasterKeyX]

it may be hisd upbringing that had some effects.

[Evilslayer]

I believe that Twinrova resurrected him through childbirth (they are his surrogate mothers, after all), in which case he's already tried to conquer Hyrule at least once. The Master Sword has been used before and the Sages has been gathered before, so why not?

And before anyone says that the King wouldn't have trusted him if he's attacked before, Ganondorf is just a name. Probably a normal boy name. Besides, my theory is that he was Ganon. If that's the case there's no way the King of Hyrule would suspect a Gerudo, even if the name is similar.

[MasterKeyX]

Some suspect Ganon's spirit may be inside Ganondorf, possesing him to take over and destroy all of Hyrule.

[Pale Dim]

I believe that Twinrova resurrected him through childbirth (they are his surrogate mothers, after all), in which case he's already tried to conquer Hyrule at least once. The Master Sword has been used before and the Sages has been gathered before, so why not?

And before anyone says that the King wouldn't have trusted him if he's attacked before, Ganondorf is just a name. Probably a normal boy name. Besides, my theory is that he was Ganon. If that's the case there's no way the King of Hyrule would suspect a Gerudo, even if the name is similar.

I agree with you a little, but even though it isn't the first game ever made, it occures the first in the timeline.