Creation Logic

[Harashi]

Often times atheists will say "well you can't prove God is real", and many atheists like their little scientific box that says only things that can be proven are real. Well there is something in science that can't be proven known as the string theory that cannot be proven but is accepted by scientists. So how is creation of the world by God not an acceptable theory amongst scientists? We may not be able to physically prove God exists, but we can determine that he does by logical means. If you wish to have any questions answered regarding proving myself please ask and I will do my best to answer. (Do my best because I'm not a professional religious scholar.)

[LadyNintendo]

Actually, it "can" be proven. You see, there are a few theories out there that cannot (yet) be truly proven, but all experiments and pure logic support those theories. The string theory is a result of combining other theories that aren't really proven (therefor, they are theories) but haven't been disproven by any of the many experiments yet. Notice please that all scientists aknowledge it is nothing more than a theory and not truth yet. However, you either believe a theory or you don't and try to prove your opinion any way you can. Noone has been able yet to disprove it, only semi-prove it.

Maybe you should have said what/who you think God is, so I would know what to say. Do you consider him a man with a beard who tells us how we should behave, or an entity that was the start of all?

Anyway, God creating the world is bringing a problem to a level that is "not our problem so we shouldn't be bothered by it". What I mean is, believers cannot believe our incredible complex world is the result of random events, but exists because someone wanted that. No offence, but for one, I think that's incredible arrogant. What really is said is that a "human conscience" is the start of all. You'd think we would have learned a few bits of modesty in all those ages. But apart from that, suppose the start of the world is God's work. That makes God a very complex being too, since he's either able to make a world based on him or a he's able to create a world that's far more complex than he is, making him complex on a mental level. But why would such a complex being be able to just exist, but does our world need a creationplan to be able to exist? Or does God have a creator too? Same question. The problem of existance is simply brought out of reach by believe instead of being solved.

That's only one of the reasons why God is not accepted.

[Rev Rabies]

hmm... the flying spaghetti monster will be brought up here...

[darkphantomime]

Didn't Dan the man get banned (by asking Jack himself) for going about this topic? Just a thought that we have to be careful about this issue...

[Gamefreak]

Yes, the last time a religious debate was freely discussed, the creator was banned.  I'll let this go, but if it gets out of hand, it will be closed.

[Harashi]

See you then since your all too uncomfortable to discuss something as important as this, bye.

[Gamefreak]

I can't speak on behalf of the others.  I wasn't saying I wasn't going to discuss it, I was saying that it's a touchy subject that has potential to get out of hand.

[Rincewind]

I think Gamefreak/Random Naruto Name, is scared that he cannot form any logical basis for a belief in a creator, so is saying it will 'get out of hand'.

So how is creation of the world by God not an acceptable theory amongst scientists?

Because it's bo*lo*ks.
(Self-Censored so as not to inflame any of your delicate eyes)

[darkphantomime]

GF is not afraid, it's simply that what ID is proposing is so full of tripe, that it's more of a sign of ignorance than anything else. One thing one would wonder if ID were real: Who created the creator? This is a paradoz that goes ad infinitum, this is why belief in a so called 'intelligent designer' is flawed. The only designer out there, is nature, and nature alone.

And if you don't know how touchy religion discussions can get, then you have never talked with anyone of an opposing religion. This is why it's important to keep an open mind, So no one gets stupid and full of rage and hate over such a trivial matter.

[Gamefreak]

I think Gamefreak/Random Naruto Name, is scared that he cannot form any logical basis for a belief in a creator, so is saying it will 'get out of hand'.

So how is creation of the world by God not an acceptable theory amongst scientists?

Because it's bo*lo*ks.
(Self-Censored so as not to inflame any of your delicate eyes)

You sound awfully familiar....

[Evilslayer]

This is why it's important to keep an open mind, So no one gets stupid and full of rage and hate over such a trivial matter.

Agreed, and that goes for both religious people and atheists.

[Rincewind]

You sound awfully familiar....

Perhaps it is Fate, Gamefreak.

[MasterKeyX]

It seems to me that the majority of people in the world today are atheists... no offense to anyone who is, just an observation. Correct me if im wrong in saying that almost all the poeple here seem to have no religion.

[alical]

We have many extremely good reasons to be atheists.

I think the reason many people here are not religious is that we mainly come from countries like America, Canada and England, as well as others. These are countries in which families (hopefully) don't decide their childrens religions for them.

Anyway I am gonna have to say I don't believe in ID one bit.

[Gamefreak]

You sound awfully familiar....

Perhaps it is Fate, Gamefreak.

I don't want to get into this in the discussion, so I'll make this my last post on the matter.  I seem to remember a member named Jack Fate who made similar posts like this to me.  So is it you?