Forbidden Fortress, Who was there first?

[Takun]

Well I was reading something about the Gerudu tribe on another site saying how in MM they where pirates living ina foretress on the coast of Termina. So could this foretress be the same one that Gannon hides out in? Well in WW Tetra said that a famous band of piarates once lived there. Could the forbidden Foretress actually be the remains of the Gerudu Tribes' hideout before the great flood?

[Eralk Fang]

Well, if you put thieves on water, they'll probably turn to piracy.

It's been speculated, and I've posted something in the Phantom Hourglass subforum about the latest trailer: there's a woman fighting Link who looks suspiciously Gerudo.

[Takun]

But there is also proof that the foretress could have been used by the Sheikah. In WW the Sheikah symbol is on the door that leads to Gannon.

[Eralk Fang]

The Forsaken Fortress seems to change hands constantly; it's entirely possible that the descendants of the Sheikah are involved in piracy.

EDIT: It's a good thing to call things by their right names.

[M-Warrior]

Why do people always call the Forsaken Fortress the Forbidden Fortress? :P Anyway, I have mixed feelings about either Gerudo's or Sheikah.

[Eralk Fang]

Whoops.

I think the Gerudo are more plausible than the Sheikah. Sheikah artifacts are still around in The Wind Waker, but the Sheikah themselves have the problem of having such small numbers such a long time ago, in Ocarina of Time. I's possible that the previous occupants stole some old Sheikah shields and decorated the place, Gerudo or not.

[Mysterious F.]

Impa was the last Shiekah, so it would be difficult/almost impossible for the tribe (only her) to produce enough numbers for the Foretress to actually matter.

Termina is another dimension. It cannot be the same as the Foresaken Foretress.

[Evilslayer]

It's never stated that Impa is the last Sheikah. TP proves that she isn't.

[Eralk Fang]

Impa's specific family line is mentioned in the first few Zelda games, so we can assume she had children, the other Impas her descendants.

However, there is still only a handful of them, and the Sheikah blood dwindles as we go down the timeline; not enough that a specifically Sheikah band of pirates could exist. A few pirates with Sheikah heritage might have brought in the shields, or they could have been found treasure the current owners of the Fortress liked. The Fortress seems to be a contested piece of property amongst pirates.

[Mysterious F.]

It's never stated that Impa is the last Sheikah. TP proves that she isn't.

That really meant the last living sheikah, not the last ever.

As for Impaz, she's to old to reproduce anymore, so the last KNOWN shiekah is dead. And that's only TP. TWW is another dimension and holds all the other games. And somehow I feel she isn't the Shadow Sage anymore after TWW. Mabye someone else entirely.

[Commodore Axilon]

TWW is another dimension and holds all the other games.

Buh? TWW is another...dimension? And..."holds" all the other games?

[Eralk Fang]

Another timeline, Akatsuki- Majora's Mask is the one with a different dimension. I would agree with you in assuming there's a different Shadow Sage after The Wind Waker, as Impa's, well, dead.

Some have speculated that one of Tetra's pirates may be a descendant of Impa, due to the fact his counterpart in the royal portrait found in flooded Hyrule is a woman, and outside of immediate family, the only other woman connected to Zelda is really Impa.

Even if that's not true, the line lives on, since the other Impas are related to Sheikah Impa. I'm not saying that the other Impas are in fact Sheikah, but at least have Sheikah heritage.

[Commodore Axilon]

Some have speculated that one of Tetra's pirates may be a descendant of Impa, due to the fact his counterpart in the royal portrait found in flooded Hyrule is a woman, and outside of immediate family, the only other woman connected to Zelda is really Impa.

That's just silly. I'm sure the Princess (in all the games) has multiple female attendants and such. And even if that's not true, assuming all descendants of someone to be the same gender as them is ridiculous.

[Eralk Fang]

Fair enough, Commodore Axilon. It could simply be an attendant, and have no relation to Impa.

However, I think you'll agree with me that Impa's bloodline must get through the flood in order to produce the Impas of games set after it, whatever your personal timeline is. Having one of her descendants be that particular pirate keeps the bloodline close to Tetra (and therefore the royal bloodline), instead of the bloodlines meeting up in New Hyrule.

[Mysterious F.]

By dimension, I refer to TP being Child Link's world, TWW Adult Link's.

I believe that LTTP is in TWW's world/time. All other games therefore go there, too long to explain why.

I mean that these are jsut randomly named Impas, they don't appear to be connected to the shadow sage after OOT.