Is it remotely possible for MC to be first?

[M-Warrior]

This for both Dual and Single Timeline theorists.
No, FSA takes place hundreds of years after FS because the creators stated that FS was first in the timeline(Before MC's release, now MC is first in the timeline) FSA states that Ganondorf was either reincarnated(Both Timeline theorists) or the same Ganondorf from OoT(some Dual timeline theorists). Ganondorf stole the Trident of Power which turned him into a blue pig-like creature/warrior that he is in FSA, ALttP, OoS, OoA, and LoZ. A lot of people think OoS and OoA Link are the same Link from AlttP but if you do some studying and look at the official art you'll see that in the Oracle games that it was Link's first time meeting Zelda. And that the Link in ALttP is in fact older than the Link in the Oracle games. And I relised that I forgot to put the Oracle Games in my timeline. Well I put OoS and OoA hundreds of years after AoL for no reason, you can put them almost anywhere in the Timeline if you think about it. I'm done ranting... for now, muahahhaha!

[LadyNintendo]

I cannot say anything about FS's position in the timeline, for I have not played it. I do know that FSA seems to be very close to FS in the timeline, because of its intro. If it really would've been ages after FS, FS's story would not have been told the way it has been in FSA's intro. But it remains only guessing.

But for someone who considers the creator's words so important, I find it funny you put TLOZ and TAOL after ALTTP. For Miyamoto once said it was OOT, TLOZ, TAOL and then ALTTP.  :)

[M-Warrior]

And when was that he said that... oh yeah, before MM came out, like seven years ago. :D

[Vaati]

This for both Dual and Single Timeline theorists.
No, FSA takes place hundreds of years after FS because the creators stated that FS was first in the timeline(Before MC's release, now MC is first in the timeline) FSA states that Ganondorf was either reincarnated(Both Timeline theorists) or the same Ganondorf from OoT(some Dual timeline theorists). Ganondorf stole the Trident of Power which turned him into a blue pig-like creature/warrior that he is in FSA, ALttP, OoS, OoA, and LoZ. A lot of people think OoS and OoA Link are the same Link from AlttP but if you do some studying and look at the official art you'll see that in the Oracle games that it was Link's first time meeting Zelda. And that the Link in ALttP is in fact older than the Link in the Oracle games. And I relised that I forgot to put the Oracle Games in my timeline. Well I put OoS and OoA hundreds of years after AoL for no reason, you can put them almost anywhere in the Timeline if you think about it. I'm done ranting... for now, muahahhaha!

But I thought that in MC, no one had any idea who Vaati was, just that he won the tournament. But then when he broke the Picori Blade and cursed all those people, he became a villain. The Link deafeated him and sealed him away. After a few hundres years, in FS Vaati broke free and kinapped Princess Zelda, he was defeated again, sealed away, then got free in FSA when Link drew the Four Sword.

[M-Warrior]

This for both Dual and Single Timeline theorists.
No, FSA takes place hundreds of years after FS because the creators stated that FS was first in the timeline(Before MC's release, now MC is first in the timeline) FSA states that Ganondorf was either reincarnated(Both Timeline theorists) or the same Ganondorf from OoT(some Dual timeline theorists). Ganondorf stole the Trident of Power which turned him into a blue pig-like creature/warrior that he is in FSA, ALttP, OoS, OoA, and LoZ. A lot of people think OoS and OoA Link are the same Link from AlttP but if you do some studying and look at the official art you'll see that in the Oracle games that it was Link's first time meeting Zelda. And that the Link in ALttP is in fact older than the Link in the Oracle games. And I relised that I forgot to put the Oracle Games in my timeline. Well I put OoS and OoA hundreds of years after AoL for no reason, you can put them almost anywhere in the Timeline if you think about it. I'm done ranting... for now, muahahhaha!

But I thought that in MC, no one had any idea who Vaati was, just that he won the tournament. But then when he broke the Picori Blade and cursed all those people, he became a villain. The Link deafeated him and sealed him away. After a few hundres years, in FS Vaati broke free and kinapped Princess Zelda, he was defeated again, sealed away, then got free in FSA when Link drew the Four Sword.

You thought right.

[Vaati]

Exactly!  :)

[Evilslayer]

To LadyNintendo: What about OoA? That game proves that time isn't unchangeable in Zelda. :-*

No, FSA takes place hundreds of years after FS because the creators stated that FS was first in the timeline

That's not physically possible. The intro to FSA claims that it's right after FS.

[LadyNintendo]

I believe I said this already, but I can be wrong.

Yes, time may be changeable in the tloz-universe, but not by the instruments used in OOT. The Master Sword is not capable of changing time, the Ocarina isn't capable of that and Zelda...well, she might be. But why didn't she change time in other ways if that's the case? Preventing Ganondorf from entering the Sacred Realm? She may be wise, but in the end, she's still only Hylian. The Oracles on the other hand either are directly connected to the gods (goddesses) or are their mortal reincarnations (seems to be suggested by TWW). I wouldn't be surprised if Nayru's harp is capable of changing time and that that's the difference between the Oracle and the Sage.

[Evilslayer]

Together, the Master Sword and Ocarina of Time is capable to change time, I believe. Sheik, at least, tells Link that so long as he hold the Master Sword and the Ocarina of Time he holds Time itself in his hand.

On the other side, this proves my point:

Preventing Ganondorf from entering the Sacred Realm? She may be wise, but in the end, she's still only Hylian.

That statement somewhat argues with the SINGLE timeline. What if the reason Zelda sent Link back to his own time and didn't just change the past is that she couldn't change the past? It's official that Link returns to his own time, so either Time is unchangeable and it created a split timeline or Time is changeable and it changed the future.

Now, to argue with what I said above (I don't want to contradict myself, y'know :-*), he may not have meant that it can change Time. In fact, I believe that creating a split timeline isn't something Zelda thought up in the last second, but something she was planning for years. It may have been that the Master Sword and the Ocarina of Time are, together, the key to create a split timeline.

I still think time is changeable in Hyrule (MM and OoA makes it hard to think otherwise), but it could be that because of her Wisdom she realized the dangers of playing with Time.

Or, as you said, she may not be powerful enough. In MM it was the Goddess of Time (Nayru?) that aided Link, and in OoA the Oracle Nayru.

I hope my post doesn't... confuse anyone. :-X

[Mysterious F.]

The oracle of time one is 100% true, and most likely the MM one, too.

[Vaati]

Did you mean Ocarina of Time?

[Mysterious F.]

Oops, I meant Oracle of Ages.

[LadyNintendo]

I hope my post doesn't... confuse anyone. :-X

I got confused somewhere after "SINGLE timeline". ^^ But I re-read it, so don't worry.

Anyway, it doesn't contradict with the single timeline theory. In fact, if it did, then it would also contradict with teh dual timeline theory. Like I said, I don't think the Sage Of Time is capable of changing the events of the past. IF Link would've had the Harp Of Ages (that's what that thing is called, right?), he may have been capable to change events in such a way that the future/present got altered too. However, he didn't have it. I think the Harp Of Ages is a far more powerful device than the Master Sword and Ocarina Of Time. Detail, the MS and OOT change Link's age to what he should be at that time (possibly preventing him to go further back or forth in time than the years of his birth and death) showing that whatever they are capable of, time stays very close to what it has always been. The HOA however, allows Link to stay the same age and travel through much bigger segments of time. It IS different and most likely, far more powerful if it allows people to break through the circumstances of a certain moment. If anything could cause a split timeline, it's the Harp Of Ages.

hmmm, just a question, was the HOA capable of bringing items from the present/future to the past?

[Vaati]

Well, I don't know *that*, but I know that you lose your items and rupees that you've colected when you play the Song of Time in MM.

[darkphantomime]

It was capable of bringing stuff back and forth through time...

but when one considers it, it doesn't create much of a paradox. because the HOA has a span of Four hundred years exactly. No more or less. So he can't go back an instant before he did something and 'reverse' that something. The thing is it's about fate. We have various going on's. Things that make it alright to go back and forth through time so fabric of space isn't ripped.

But in OoT's case, there are circumstancces which allow time to be changed in numerous ways through paradoxes. in suxch cases, time can be ripped apart... But, the thing is so theoritical and so abstract, it's difficult to approach directly. That's generally why there are so many theories about the timeline....

HEY! Is it just me  or have we gotten track off of the topic? I mean, this is more about MC being first than the timeline and theories involving thereto.