Gerudos---Twili? SPOILER

[Knil]

You know how Gerudos never appear in any games, besides Ganon, except in OoT and MM?  Well what if when Ganon attacked Hyrule, followers, but not all of the Gerudo, of Ganon took his place, learned magic, and attacked Hyrule again.   Then the Godesses banished the followers, their magic, and the rest of the Gerudo.  As a result,  the Mirror of Twilight and the Fused Shadows were created.  The effects of the Twilight affected the Gerudos skin so it turned greenish-blue and there hair is still orange.  I think the reason it is in the Gerudo Desert is so Nabooru's ancestor, still being the Spirit sage from OoT could tranverse between making the Gerudos mind and being a sage.  Her ancestor stayed in the Twilight Realm and the Gerudo's forget about Ganon and turned peaceful.  Nabooru's ancestor established a government and she was the queen of the royal family.  Midna is a descendant of Nabooru and that is why she is the only one that can break the MoT.  But know how Ganon got in the Twilight realm.  I think that two Gerudo's that were just thrown into the TR resurrected him, but they couldn't bring him back completely.  So over centuries, Ganon had to store power for his return.  When Zant came to him, Ganon had enought power to fuse with and he found someone who had enough commitment to do it.  Kind of like Harry Potter in the first movie.  That's is what I think happened to the Gerudos.  If you guys have evidence with quotes from the game put them up here.  I haven't been able to play TP since my Wii has been messing up.  I got it Sunday and haven't even got to find Malo it's messing up so bad.

[Commodore Axilon]

Well, If you believe FSA comes after TP, which I think everybody does, then you know that the entire Gerudo race couldn't have been banished because they're in that game.

[Evahn]

The Gerudo weren't evil. The original Twili were banished to the Twilight Realm because they had tried to get the Triforce with their evil magic, right? The interlopers?

[Knil]

SOME of the Gerudo were evil, but because those few interlopers and Ganon's evil deeds were so great the whole Gerudo race was banished.  And I forgot to mention FSA.  I haven't played it personally, but I think if the Gerudo were in that game they resembled the Zuna?, but that's the only similarity.

[LadyNintendo]

Um, no. There's a big difference between the Gerudo and Zuna.

But I gotta admit, I hate how the four swords games hardly have any artwork.

[Eralk Fang]

I think that the original Twili, the interlopers, were a hodge-podge of races, not any single race. They were more united by dark sorcery than anything else. Because Zant bears a modified Gerudo symbol (it's more... swirly), I think there was at least some Gerudo among the interlopers, who may have fought their way to the top of the food chain in the Twilight Realm. However, Zant is stated to be a servant (or at least serve in one way or another) in the Royal House, so perhaps the Twili descended from the Gerudo interlopers don't have as much status...

As others have stated, a good deal of timelines place Four Swords Adventures after Twilight Princess, making the total obliteration of the race seem unlikely, as they appear in that game.

But know how Ganon got in the Twilight realm.  I think that two Gerudo's that were just thrown into the TR resurrected him, but they couldn't bring him back completely.  So over centuries, Ganon had to store power for his return.  When Zant came to him, Ganon had enought power to fuse with and he found someone who had enough commitment to do it.  Kind of like Harry Potter in the first movie.

I don't think Ganondorf was resurrected in the Twilight Realm by other prisoners. We have no idea what happens to prisoners thrown into the Sacred Realm after the Twili take over- are they killed by Twili? Do they turn into Twili?

I think that Ganondorf couldn't be entirely destroyed as long as he had the power of the gods. The trip to the Twilight Realm and his wound took care of his physical body. I like the comparison to Voldemort- he floats around as a spirit for a while, before finding someone to help him regain a foothold in the respective world to be dominated. Ganondorf tricks Zant into thinking he is a god, and off we go.

[Knil]

Um, no. There's a big difference between the Gerudo and Zuna.

But I gotta admit, I hate how the four swords games hardly have any artwork.

To me?  I don't think the Zuna are the Gerudo.  But I read somewhere that there were similarities.  I can't explain exactly what I'm trying to say because I want to play TP so badly

[LadyNintendo]

Dude, stop saying that. We know you want to play the game badly (and you're bound to be disappointed if you keep wanting to play it this badly). And what's with the   ?

Don't believe everything you read. The two races live in the same area, but are completely different. The Zunas have a greenish skin for instance and don't have the one-guy-every-100-years thing.

Considering you haven't played FSA yet, and need to wait some more to play TP, why don't you go see if you can get FSA? It's a fun game (maybe read some reviews on gamefaqs to see if you'd like it) with a lot of great references (mainly to ALTTP) and a very nice story.

EF> I don't think the Gerudo symbol means anything. It seems to me the Gerudo symbol once belonged to some completely different tribe/group/race, considering the ridiculous huge number of blocks lying around even in temples in OOT and bearing the Gerudo symbol. Heh, unless the Gerudo were a far more powerful and important race long ago, my guess is that they simply adopted the symbol as theirs at one point in time.

[Eralk Fang]

LadyNintendo, they are thieves... Good point!

Knil, this is a pretty good primer on just who and what the Zuna are for those of us who haven't played Four Swords Adventures. They are definitely very different than the Gerudo.
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45438

[Knil]

1. LN Ok, I have been annoying saying that I can't play it, but I have played TP and I was not disappointed.  I'm angry that I can't play it.

2. LN, EF I didn't and never said the Zuna and the Gerudo were the same.

3. LN I do want FSA, I have played it, it was a very fun game, but I can't find where to buy it so I don't have it.

[LadyNintendo]

1. I assumed you didn't have it and only played a very small part of it at a friend's. All I meant with being disappointed is that you might expect too much from it. Anyone who expects too much of something is bound to be disappointed.

2. Then what did you mean by this?:

I haven't played it personally, but I think if the Gerudo were in that game they resembled the Zuna

3. Maybe you can order it somewhere. I doubt there aren't anymore unsold copies.

[Knil]

1. I played the Gamecube version, beat it twice, in four days.  I know what happens in the game.  I'm not disappointed in the game.

2. I saw in a TDC Theorie forum they looked alike.  Just because 2 things look alike don't make them the same.  A moth and a butterfly look alike, but they aren't the same.

[Eralk Fang]

Er, they're only similar in that they are human-shaped. The Zuna are green and dress like a stereotypical Arab (think Lawrence of Arabia). The Gerudo... well, you know what they look like.

[LadyNintendo]

1. I played the Gamecube version, beat it twice, in four days.  I know what happens in the game.  I'm not disappointed in the game.

Then what's with the "I want to play it so badly" stuff?

Well, Gerudo and Zuna look a little alike since they have a  similar kind of clothing and their cultures are clearly based on the same one in the real world (but with a different focus for each).

[Knil]

I rented it for GC.  Then I got the Wii and I got TP for the holidays, but when I got the Wii a while ago, it wouldn't work.  It's so funny though I played it for a week and couldn't get to the part where you find Malo.  Or is it Talo?