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OOT isn't LttPs backstory!

Started by Penguin dude 2, April 13, 2007, 03:50:56 PM

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Mysterious F.

Just because it was made by Nintendo doesn't make it the original. The American version was changed too much to make it cannon, so the Japanese version is the one that you must use while making a timeline.

Commodore Axilon

You still haven't presented any actual reasons, only "It is because I say so." excuses.

Now I have no problem with you using the Japanese games to create your own (separate) Japanese timeline, but once you start stating the English games mean nothing is where I get riled up. Is there any quote from anyone at Nintendo saying anything like this? If not, I see no reason to assume you're correct.

The way I like to see it is there are two separate continuities: the Japanese one and the English one. Each of these are each equally canonical in their own continuities, i.e. no mixing and matching.

So, to sum up. I see no reason to believe you until I get some higher-up stating it. Until then, you can believe what you want to believe, and I can believe what I want to believe. But let's try not to force our opinions upon one another by saying either one of us is definitively correct, m'kay?

Mysterious F.

*Sigh* Oh, just forget it.

Let's do it through example:

Have you ever heard of a movie called Poseidon? It's about a ship that, in one way or another, gets flipped upside-down and some people try to get out. There was one movie made at least 30 years ago, while recently another version has been made. Which is the original?

Commodore Axilon

Uh, the first one was obviously the original, but that doesn't have anything to do with its canonical status. I would consider the newer the more accurate telling of events, 'cause it's newer. ;D

But I don't see what this has to do with the topic, seeing as how the only remade Zelda was ALttP for GBA (which I consider more canonical than the original, by the way).

Mysterious F.

It's just a movie, not a real life event.

It has much to do with this. Because the Japanese version was made first, that makes it the original.

Commodore Axilon

Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known As Whocares on April 15, 2007, 10:35:16 AM
It's just a movie, not a real life event.

Oh gee, thanks Captain Obvious, I had no idea. Seriously, why even bring it up if you're gonna bother to listen to me about what I consider it's canonical status? And there's no need to get snarky.

QuoteIt has much to do with this. Because the Japanese version was made first, that makes it the original.

Yes, and seeing as how the English versions are exactly the same games, yet with a different translation, I still don't see what the Poseidon example had to do with anything.

Mysterious F.

It's an example of something else that has a very similar, almost exact, 'what's considered cannon' problem. Because the Japanese one was made first, it's the original, and therefore the cannon version.

Actually, if they had correctly translated the game without changing stuff, even the name Link to the Past would be different, it would be Triforce of the Gods. And that ISN'T a mistranslation.

And what does snarky mean?

Penguin dude 2

#22
Artist, what parts of the games text was changed besides the title, and Aghanim from being a priest? I consider the SNES the canon one, because it was made 1st. And the OoT with the real Mirror Shield, because I saw a different version being used in the Collecters Edition. Some Muslims said something, so Nintendo had to change it.

Mysterious F.

Well, the LTTP backstory about the war was changed. I'm not good at this, but Evilslayer is a master, so PM him these questions.

Master Dragmire

Were really getting off topic. This isnt about whether the Japenese version is canon, or the American version is cannon, but, from what Ive seen, there is too little difference for either one to be false. I doubt that the backstory is very different in each game. Unless someone can tell me a major storyline  difference between the two, I think we should get back to the topic on hand.

I doubt very seriously that another game is LttP's back story other than OoT. I haven't seen ne other game that features sages sealing Ganon away (I could be wrong, Im very tires  ;) )
Also theres the fact that it has been stated.

Evilslayer

The English version is full of mistranslations. It was not made separately from the Japanese version. Most games back then where full of mistranslations because no one could afford decent translators. Even today there are some mistranslations.

The latest that I know of is in TWW, where it's said, in the English version, that Medli is of the same bloodline as Laruto.

Penguin dude 2

Are you saying the part where they said Medli was decended from Laratu a mistranslation? Because that might finally destroy the Zora-Rito theory? And If I don't even need in-game text to prove that OOT is LttPs backstory anymore. TWW has stained glass paintngs in Hyrule castle of the OOT sages, and Aonuma said the Ganon sealing was a fewyears after the OOT ending.

Commodore Axilon

#27
How else would she be the Sage of Earth, pray tell?

Oh, and I'm not just gonna take Evilslayer's word for it either. He seems to think everything is a mistranslation. I mean, ever since that "Oni Link" thing I'm not gonna take his word on any mistranslations without some evidence to back it up.

Penguin dude 2

O.K., but it's still impossible, since evolution on asmall scale takes MILLIONS of years. TWW was probably a thousand years after OOT.

Commodore Axilon

I'm assuming Valoo had something to do with it. I mean, scales which give you the ability to grow wings are impossible too; are you gonna deny those exist? Years of living on Dragon Roost with Valoo and his crazy scales could've possibly done something to their physiology.

How it happened isn't really relevant though. How else could she be the Sage of Earth?