Timeline Proposal

[Commodore Axilon]

Oh, please. Don't flatter yourself. Any idiot can see that OoT was based off the ALttP backstory. Now whether they're actually the same event is up for debate, but claiming they're definitively not is intellectually dishonest.

Edit: Oh, and who says there isn't another Ganon? Multiple Ganons makes the whole messed up timeline a lot easier to swallow.

[Penguin dude 2]

If you've seen my timeline, then you know I believe theres another Ganon. Did you read my evidence against the OoT/LttP connection? I've posted it at other sites and so far, no one can save that outdated theory. Willing to give it a try?

[Mysterious F.]

Okay, if you think that just because it was said more than two or three eyars ago that OOT is no longer LTTP's backsotry, than I see no reason to so much as debate with you over this. If what your saying is true, any theory ever made that was not made within the past five years would be 100% wrong, even religion (Which techniqually counts as a theory. Do not attack me for saying that, I'm saying something that is simply a fact until further notice.).

[Commodore Axilon]

If you've seen my timeline, then you know I believe theres another Ganon. Did you read my evidence against the OoT/LttP connection? I've posted it at other sites and so far, no one can save that outdated theory. Willing to give it a try?

Well, if you're anything on these other sites like what you are here, then they probably gave up on account of your stubbornness. But I, being the tenacious little bug I am, will not concede so foolhardily. Bring on this "evidence".

[DW]

Ooh, he just called you out, boy!

Really though, it doesn't count JUST because they made the claim years ago? That doesn't really make sense...I suppose the North didn't win the Civil War either, since that was announced so long ago.

[Penguin dude 2]

I finally have proof that OoT isn't LttPs backstory!
1=the adult timeline=This has TWW, which explians that Ganons seal weakened enough for him to break out, and take out Hyrule. He eventually dies at the end with the Master Sword in his head.
2=kid timeline=Link gets sent back, and MM happens, and then TP later. TP showed Ganon getting executed, it failed, and he was sent into the Twilight Realm. Aonuma(or Miyamoto, I can't remember who said this) stated that Link was sent back right before he talked to Zelda, and as a result, they talked to the king, and after Ganon did something entirely crazy, they decied to kill him. It failed and later, TP happened.
3= other evidence= the Imprisoning War= LttP backstory stated that people found the Golden Land, and they found out about the Triforce, which they called the Golden Power. Ganon got it 1st which was stated multiple times in the game. It then stated that so many were going into the Golden Land, and fighting each other, that the 7 Sages sealed it, but people knew, and they attacked them. The Knights of Hyrule held them off, but the casting took so long that they were almost all wiped out.
This almost entirely contradicts OoT, as Link fought Ganon to kill him, but he was only able to put him in the Evil Realm. The Sages took only a few seconds to cast the spell, without Zelda, who was the 7th Sage. There wasn't a single soldier left alive to protect the Sages, but they were also in the Temple of Light, which was in the Sacred Realm. Also, people weren't seeking the Triforce, though they might have known of its existence. Ganon only had the ToP, and Link and Zelda had the rest. No person knew of the Sages involvement except Link and Zelda. Aside from Ganon getting sealed in the Sacred Realm, nothing else is really the same.
You might be able to say some of it could correlate by the legend getting obscured by time, but things like the Sages coming in the legend doesn't really make any sense. Also, the TWW legend says nothing about Sages, but Ganon taking over, and Link coming out of nowhere, and winning.
I'm not saying LttP can't be after OOT, but it can't be its backstory.  

That enough for ya? People are still debating it on the Hylia, if you want to go there, but it make me and everyone there so much happier if you don't.
We are really off topic.

[Commodore Axilon]

I finally have proof that OoT isn't LttPs backstory!

I'll be the judge of that.

1=the adult timeline=This has TWW, which explians that Ganons seal weakened enough for him to break out, and take out Hyrule. He eventually dies at the end with the Master Sword in his head.

Okey dokey, the first problem I see here is you assuming the split timeline is correct, and also assuming everyone else thinks so too. I, as a single timeline theorist, must take issue with this.

The second problem is assuming because Ganon was subject to multiple other seals in between OoT and ALttP that ALttP's backstory, no matter how eerily similar it is, isn't the one from OoT. That's quite a leap in logic, if I do say so myself.

2=kid timeline=Link gets sent back, and MM happens, and then TP later. TP showed Ganon getting executed, it failed, and he was sent into the Twilight Realm. Aonuma(or Miyamoto, I can't remember who said this) stated that Link was sent back right before he talked to Zelda, and as a result, they talked to the king, and after Ganon did something entirely crazy, they decied to kill him. It failed and later, TP happened.

See both points above.

3= other evidence= the Imprisoning War= LttP backstory stated that people found the Golden Land, and they found out about the Triforce, which they called the Golden Power. Ganon got it 1st which was stated multiple times in the game. It then stated that so many were going into the Golden Land, and fighting each other, that the 7 Sages sealed it, but people knew, and they attacked them. The Knights of Hyrule held them off, but the casting took so long that they were almost all wiped out.
This almost entirely contradicts OoT, as Link fought Ganon to kill him, but he was only able to put him in the Evil Realm. The Sages took only a few seconds to cast the spell, without Zelda, who was the 7th Sage. There wasn't a single soldier left alive to protect the Sages, but they were also in the Temple of Light, which was in the Sacred Realm. Also, people weren't seeking the Triforce, though they might have known of its existence. Ganon only had the ToP, and Link and Zelda had the rest. No person knew of the Sages involvement except Link and Zelda. Aside from Ganon getting sealed in the Sacred Realm, nothing else is really the same.
You might be able to say some of it could correlate by the legend getting obscured by time, but things like the Sages coming in the legend doesn't really make any sense. Also, the TWW legend says nothing about Sages, but Ganon taking over, and Link coming out of nowhere, and winning.
I'm not saying LttP can't be after OOT, but it can't be its backstory.

No, you assume it can't be it's backstory because of stupid little inconsistencies. Such inconsistencies would be expected after the thousands of years between games. And a lot of your points up there are just stupid little assumptions, like there being no knights left in Hyrule or no one else seeking the ToP. How on earth would anyone know any of these things? Oh, and by the way, the Evil Realm is the Sacred Realm.

Oops, almost forgot. Since there seem to be so many rabid creator's intent nublets around here, I'm going to throw them a bone. Are you aware that Miyamoto himself said they're the same thing?

In short, I really don't care if you personally don't believe that ALttP's backstory is the plot of OoT. My problem with you is your constant dictating what is supposedly right or wrong. You need to learn that in a series, such as Zelda, with such a complicated and self-contradictory timeline, that a lot of things could make sense. Like the multiple Ganondorf theory which you and I subscribe to, there's not an inkling of evidence for that in any of the games, yet we believe it because it makes sense to us. Of course, other people aren't going to thinks so, and say it's ridiculous. And that's their prerogative. Everything isn't in black and white.

We are really off topic.

We are discussing an aspect of the timeline. I don't see how that's off-topic.

666-ZOMG POST OF THE BEAST-666

[Penguin dude 2]

Stupid little inconstitencies turn into really big ones, like a really big battle, and sages taking a long time to cast a seal as opposed to a few seconds. I don't see why you're even arguing this since you don't think it's OoTs story either.

[Commodore Axilon]

And, like I said, ALttP takes place thousands of years after OoT. After a global cataclysmic flood even. The fact that the legend is even somewhat recognizable is remarkable.

And where did I say I didn't believe it?

[Mysterious F.]

I just have to say this:

OOOOHHHH! Commodore burned you good!  

I agree with everything that Commodore said. In fact, there is more than one Ganon:

A)OOT Ganon/TWW Ganon/TP Ganon
B)FSA Ganon
C)I have absolutely no idea about the other games  

Unless, of course, you mean that they share nothing in common besides motives and that they do not have the same soul.  

[Commodore Axilon]

I agree with everything that Commodore said.

Except of course the single timeline, right?

A)OOT Ganon/TWW Ganon/TP Ganon
B)FSA Ganon
C)I have absolutely no idea about the other games  

This is what I think:

Ganon-A : OoT(sealed), TWW(killed), OoA/S(revived, killed)
Ganon-B : TP(killed)
Ganon-C : FSA(reborn, sealed), ALttP(killed[?]), TLoZ(revived[?], killed)

I believe that the Ganon from TP is the Ganon from before Link goes into the future, and when he returns to the past Ganon-B still exists while Ganon-A is trapped in the Sacred Realm due to what happens in the future. Ganon-C is obviously the "ancient demon reborn" from FSA.

Unless, of course, you mean that they share nothing in common besides motives and that they do not have the same soul.  

Oh, they all have the same soul, seeing as B is basically the same guy as A and C is him reborn in a new body.

[Penguin dude 2]

So, Ganon is sealed in OoT and comes back in TWW from that seal and is turned to stone at the bottom of the ocean. How would he go from a rock to fully alive and in the exact same seal that was already broken? Did you play TWW? Ganon isn't back in the SR, he's a rock at the bottom of the ocean, with the MS stuck in his head. How would it get into a pedestal in a different continent thats elevation was several thousand feet higher than the original Hyrules?
And stop taking your timeline as absolute fact. Just because you think it's that way doesn't mean everyone does. I would find it easier to understand if it was split though.

[Commodore Axilon]

So, Ganon is sealed in OoT and comes back in TWW from that seal and is turned to stone at the bottom of the ocean. How would he go from a rock to fully alive and in the exact same seal that was already broken?

Obviously he was revived, in FSA most likely, and sealed again. Was that supposed to be a hard question? I'm just saying that the odds of those two instances happening almost exactly the same way aren't very high. I'm not saying that he wasn't sealed by the sages again, just that the story told at the beginning is a legend and not the current state of affairs at the time.

You know what? The more I think about it, the more I realize that either way Ganon has to be sealed again by the Sages, and the ALttP backstory is dissimilar enough to OoT's plot for it to be somewhat believable. So, to be more internally consistent within the games, I concede that they are in fact not the same event. But, don't celebrate just yet, I still believe in the single timeline and disagree with you about virtually everything else. And I can still understand how others, like Whocares, could see it differently. So, you may have won the battle, but I will win...the next battle. (Cookie for the reference.)

Did you play TWW? Ganon isn't back in the SR, he's a rock at the bottom of the ocean, with the MS stuck in his head. How would it get into a pedestal in a different continent thats elevation was several thousand feet higher than the original Hyrules?

It's not the same Master Sword. I would've that that much was obvious, going by looks alone.

And stop taking your timeline as absolute fact. Just because you think it's that way doesn't mean everyone does. I would find it easier to understand if it was split though.

Care to point out to me where I'm doing this? I'm merely stating what I happen to think happened. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean I'm forcing it upon others.

[Penguin dude 2]

And, like I said, ALttP takes place thousands of years after OoT. After a global cataclysmic flood even. The fact that the legend is even somewhat recognizable is remarkable.

And where did I say I didn't believe it?

Right there. You say LttP is thousands of years after OoT and after TWW, which is not fact.

[Commodore Axilon]

So you don't believe ALttP takes place thousands of years after OoT? That's fine, but you of course knew that I was simply stating what I thought. Have I ever taken any guise of officialness? I really don't feel like arguing with you over subjects not pertaining the subject of the topic, so, unless you have anything else regarding the timeline to add, let's just drop it.