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Your Continuity theory?

Started by Jack, February 22, 2005, 05:03:31 PM

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Evilslayer

QuoteALttP can't be before OoS and OoA because the master sword is in both those games, but at the end of ALttP it says the master sword sleeps forever.

I also believe that LoZ and AoL come before MC because the Four Sword is a beefed up White Sword. That explains the backstory of MC.

1. The Master Sword is not a part of the quest. It just is there. Why do you think it isn't in the mangas? ;)

2. I can't remember which series, but someone once mentioned a series of games where there is a sword (like the Master Sword) that's laid to rest FOREVER in, like, every second game. Forever is not long in video games.

3. The Picori Sword doesn't become the White Sword before after it's reforged. I don't doubt it's the same sword as the one in LoZ, but LoZ has to be a long time after it's forgotten and lost its power to split the wielder into four.

Cyclos

I have found something wrong with the timeline.  In Minish Cap, you do see the Oracles in the inn.  The say that they have traveled a lot.  You can get a figurine of Din, and it says that she is a famous singer from the land of Holodrum.  Your timeline says that she traveled from Hyrule to Holodrum, but the game clearly says that she is not from Hyrule.  Therefore, I believe that the Oracle games occured before Minish Cap.

Evilslayer

But how do you know it's the same Din. It says that she comes from a line of OoS, so the Din in the Oracles might be a descendant of the Din in TMC.

Master Goron

But it say that "She is a dancer from the land of Holodrum" Meaning that's where she was there before she was in Hyrule(during TMC).

Cyclos

That's what I'm saying.  Also,  Farore's figurine desrcription says that people take advantage of her kindness.  Do you not take advantage of her kindness with the secrets?

Evilslayer

Neither of those are real evidence. Like Din and Nayru, I bet Farore also is descended from a line of oracles, and she's the Oracle of Seasons.

As for Din being a dancer, that's most likely just coincidental. It could be a tradition in her family. Besides, they are clearly based on their relatives in the Oracles, so wouldn't it make sense if she's a dancer?

Furthermore, those guys in the travelling troup are Hylian Knights. That links the Oracles to ALttP. If you beat a linked game, and then start over again with the password you got after beating the second game (let's say you started with OoS, just to make it simple) and if you talk with the members of the travelling group they will say that they're Hylian Knights.

Master Dragmire

#21
here's my timeline:
OoT>MM>ALttP(this game should come b4 Tp)>WW>LoZ>MC>Oracles>LA

dan_the_man

Quote from: Master Goron

quote]1. OoA: In MC, Nayru is a descendant of Oracles from Labrynna.
2. OoS: In MC, Din comes from the land of Holodrum

i havnt played the OoA games , but does that mean 2 godesses are born there , and that they have parents? i always thought the were like (suposedly)God , just always there and created life?

what happened to the third goddes?

Evilslayer

There are three Oracles. Farore is the Oracle of Secrets and appear in both games. They aren't the Goddesses, because they are of a line of oracles. They just share same name as the Goddesses.

king of red lions

I am sure OoT came first. Since at the end of WW they search for the new hyrule that is the hyrule in All of the 2D games.

Mysterious F.

I think it goes like this OOT > MM > TP> TWW > PH > MC > FS > FSA > LTTP > OOA > OOS > LA > LOZ > AOL.  

Evilslayer

#26
QuoteI am sure OoT came first. Since at the end of WW they search for the new hyrule that is the hyrule in All of the 2D games.

That's not confirmed. The Japanese version of the Imprisonning War looks pretty much like OoT, which would put ALttP before the Flood. The flaw, though, is that in ALttP Ganon has the whole Triforce. Another teory is that TP is based on the Imprisonning War.

The 'source of evil' the Wise Men, according to the Japanese version of ALttP, sealed may be the Twilight Realm. Another possibility is that the Twilight Realm is the evil that flows from the Dark World. That makes sense because in the Japanese version of ALttP it's said that 'Ganon's malice' attacked Hyrule Castle, and that's exactly what we see in the third trailer to TP. This may mean that Ganon is directly involved with the spreading of the Twilight Realm.

Another theory I have actually makes OoT into a much later game than most timeline theories. It may sound like a stupid theory, but if you really look into it, there's absolutely no way to disprove it, which makes it a legit timeline theory.

LoZ, AoL->OoS/OoA->OoT, MM->TP->ALttP, LA->TWW, PH

Yes, you didn't read wrong. That's the timeline theory. It started out as a joke, which I could use against anyone who calls OoT Link the 'original' Link, but then I realized it actually IS a possibility.

You may have noticed the timeline doesn't include TMC and the two FS games. There's a reason for that. It's nearly impossible to guess where they are. The only hint is the Zuna, and if the theory that Agahnim is a Zuna is correct FSA should be after ALttP.

Hmm... that gives me an idea. Ganon is more or less destroyed in ALttP. Maybe his spirit survived and he was reincarnated as a Gerudo in time for FSA? Then, some time after FSA the Four Sword is placed somewhere underground or within a mountain and Ganon breaks free and attacks Hyrule in a red wrath, and then the gods flood the lands.

Now for the placement of the NES games and the Oracles. I know what some of you might say. OoT was the first time Ganon attacked Hyrule. Had he attacked before the King wouldn't have trusted anyone with Ganon in their names. OoT tells of the creation, so it has to be first.

1. We don't know that. We don't even know if Ganon was born in that era. All we know about his past is that the Twinrova sisters are his surrogate mothers. Now, how do we define surrogate? My guess is that they resurrected him through childbirth. That would suggest that he may not have been a Gerudo in his past life.

2. For all we know, there may have been several Gerudo kings called Ganondorf. A name isn't enough to distrust someone. For all the King care, Ganon was a DAEMON/Moblin who was killed several centuries ago, and isn't likely to return.

3. So does ALttP. OoT mentions the creation because it's important to the story, not because it's the first game.

So, this is how I've summed it up. The gods created Hyrule several millenniums before the first game. The next part is just speculation, but it's likely. The Hylia probably woke up far away from Hyrule (as that's how it always start, and they cannot settle down at one place before they have mastered agriculture), and then probably heard about a chosen Kingdom. They travelled for many centuries (most likely it would go very slowly as they are many and they would probably camp at certain places and stay there for years before moving on) and eventually reach Hyrule. I like to think that they made their first settlements near Lake Hylia, because the lake is named after them.

Eventually Hyrule was fonded and she prospered for many years; it became an age of many legends and the forging of many magical artefacts.

I bet you anything this is the age when the legendary Goron hero killed Volvagia, and the Master Sword was forged. I also bet that the legend of the Picori comes from this age.

It eventually started to go downhill about the time the legend of the Sleeping Princess takes place. Remember that OoT never says the gods left Triforce in the Golden Land. It only says that the ground where the Triforce rested became sacred. It could have ended up in the hands of the Royal Family without them having to somehow get to the Golden Land (which may have been created by a future Master of the Triforce). It's also never been stated that Ganon was the first to touch it, so don't claim he was. ;)

Anyway, after Hyrule was sepparated into several kingdoms the lands eventually entered an Age of Darkness when Ganon invaded Hyrule from a 'world of evil' and took the Triforce of Power. Because it's described as an Age of Darkness in the manual, I assume the wars lasted several centuries before Link came and defeated the Prince of Darkness.

With Ganon's death peace eventually returned to Hyrule, but Link went on another quest to get the Triforce of Courage. With the Triforce reunited Hyrule entered a new Golden Age.

Some time after AoL (probably a few generations) the Triforce was split again. The pieces were eventually found and placed in North Castle, which was later abandoned and through time the Ruto Forest eventually expanded and surrounded the castle. That's where the Oracles comes into the picture. Link is called by a strange force, travels to the ruins of North Castle, and is sent to either Holodrum or Labrynna.

Some time after the Oracles the Triforce is reunited (probably by another hero in a future game) and the Ancient Sages builds the Temple of Time to guard the gate to the Golden Land. Some time after that the Kingdoms of Hyrule are reunited by the King in OoT.

Then OoT takes place and Ganon is sealed in the Dark World. Some people believe in a split timeline after that, but I somewhat doubt Nintendo would make it that complicated for themselves. I have a theory that Link and Zelda (and possibly the Sages) aren't the only ones who remembers the seven years of darkness. That's how it's remembered in TWW.

Anyway, after that follows TP, and it's pretty much like I guessed above if it's based on the Imprisonning War. Several generations pass and then a priest sent by the Zuna, called Agahnim, comes to Hyrule to release Ganon.

He fails and several generations later the Zuna decides to invade Hyrule. They fail and are trapped in the Magic Mirror, except a few who flees into the Desert of Doubt where their descendant eventually forget the evil in the heart of their ancestors. Or they may not have been evil at all. They may simply have worshipped Ganon.

After that comes FSA, and eventually the Flood. I don't believe TWW will stay as the last game in the timeline. It just happened to fit best as the last game in the timeline in this theory. I'm sure there will be many games that takes place after TWW.

Mysterious F.

Quote from: Evilslayer on June 27, 2006, 05:11:06 AM
QuoteI am sure OoT came first. Since at the end of WW they search for the new hyrule that is the hyrule in All of the 2D games.


Another theory I have actually makes OoT into a much later game than most timeline theories. It may sound like a stupid theory, but if you really look into it, there's absolutely no way to disprove it, which makes it a legit timeline theory.

LoZ, AoL->OoS/OoA->OoT, MM->TP->ALttP, LA->TWW, PH

Yes, you didn't read wrong. That's the timeline theory. It started out as a joke, which I could use against anyone who calls OoT Link the 'original' Link, but then I realized it actually IS a possibility.

You may have noticed the timeline doesn't include TMC and the two FS games. There's a reason for that. It's nearly impossible to guess where they are. The only hint is the Zuna, and if the theory that Agahnim is a Zuna is correct FSA should be after ALttP.

Well, this is the only flaw. In TMC, OOA, and OOS show the three oracles: Din, Farore, and Nayru. TMC would surely be around the Oracles in this sense. Therefore, TMC comes around the Oracles.

Evilslayer

The conter-evidence is the figurines. I don't know about Farore's, but Nayru's and Din's figurines says that one is from a line of Oracles and the other from a line of dancers.

Besides, what flaw? I didn't put TMC anywhere because it's nearly impossible to place it anywhere. Therefore it could for all I care take place close to the Oracles. :-*

Mysterious F.

Actually, it's because then you would have to find a place to put FS and FSA, and this could possibly mess up your timeline.