The Sinking Ship of Nintendo

[Takun]

Hello there TDC, it's been awhile since I've posted. In the year(s?) I've been gone, Nintendo has gradually lost my love. They've made no games that I as a more intense gamer can get into. All of their recently released games have been entirely family friendly, even the Zelda games feel dumbed down. Maybe it's just me growing out of the puzzles or the style, but I feel as though Nintendo is trying to please the family, not so much the die-hard older Nintendo fan.

Is it just me? 

[alex]

meh, i feel you.
i mean, they didn't really release much for the wii, or havn't recently. sure, there were some big ones, zelda, mario galaxy, but those are the only two major titles i think that were hugely successful on wii. Nintendo is losing a lot of fans, they are gunna have to make this new console thing awesome to gain back some respect.


however, i still gots love for Nintendo :]

[Deku]

The last thing Nintendo released that I truly loved was Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. That's it. I haven't thoroughly enjoyed anything from Nintendo since Radiant Dawn, and that's a crying shame. Super Mario Galaxy 2 was pretty cool- better than its predecessor, Super Mario Galaxy, and yet I enjoyed Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door a LOT more than either of those titles. Not a single game out of Nintendo since the release of the Wind Waker has surpassed the Wind Waker in my humble opinion. Nothing has even come close to touching it (again in my opinion).

I'm right there with ya, pal. Nintendo needs to earn my allegiance back, or I won't be purchasing their new system. If I don't see some seriously "I need them" games for the new system, I'm simply not buying, not even for Zelda (unless I hear good things about it). Truth is, XBox and EVEN PS3 is blowing the Wii out of the water when it comes to enjoyable video games. Sure the Wii sold better than the both of them, but that's only because it turned its back on the people that made them what they are today. I've got a growing grudge against Nintendo, and if it isn't quelled, I'm going to turn into a Nintendo opposer.

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Might even turn an application into Microsoft.

[Pale Dim]

The last thing Nintendo released that I truly loved was Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. That's it. I haven't thoroughly enjoyed anything from Nintendo since Radiant Dawn, and that's a crying shame. Super Mario Galaxy 2 was pretty cool- better than its predecessor, Super Mario Galaxy, and yet I enjoyed Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door a LOT more than either of those titles. Not a single game out of Nintendo since the release of the Wind Waker has surpassed the Wind Waker in my humble opinion. Nothing has even come close to touching it (again in my opinion).

I'm right there with ya, pal. Nintendo needs to earn my allegiance back, or I won't be purchasing their new system. If I don't see some seriously "I need them" games for the new system, I'm simply not buying, not even for Zelda (unless I hear good things about it). Truth is, XBox and EVEN PS3 is blowing the Wii out of the water when it comes to enjoyable video games. Sure the Wii sold better than the both of them, but that's only because it turned its back on the people that made them what they are today. I've got a growing grudge against Nintendo, and if it isn't quelled, I'm going to turn into a Nintendo opposer.

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Might even turn an application into Microsoft.

That is exactly what I was thinking. Microsoft has been getting my attention pretty quickly as of late. This comic comes to mind.

[Takun]

The last thing Nintendo released that I truly loved was Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. That's it. I haven't thoroughly enjoyed anything from Nintendo since Radiant Dawn, and that's a crying shame. Super Mario Galaxy 2 was pretty cool- better than its predecessor, Super Mario Galaxy, and yet I enjoyed Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door a LOT more than either of those titles. Not a single game out of Nintendo since the release of the Wind Waker has surpassed the Wind Waker in my humble opinion. Nothing has even come close to touching it (again in my opinion).

I'm right there with ya, pal. Nintendo needs to earn my allegiance back, or I won't be purchasing their new system. If I don't see some seriously "I need them" games for the new system, I'm simply not buying, not even for Zelda (unless I hear good things about it). Truth is, XBox and EVEN PS3 is blowing the Wii out of the water when it comes to enjoyable video games. Sure the Wii sold better than the both of them, but that's only because it turned its back on the people that made them what they are today. I've got a growing grudge against Nintendo, and if it isn't quelled, I'm going to turn into a Nintendo opposer.

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Might even turn an application into Microsoft.

This is exactly how I've started to feel. Its people like us who gave Nintendo such notoriety, and for them to use that against us enrages and saddens me! I've played the 3DS, and while it is pretty cool, its not nearly cool enough to pay what they want for it.
I'm with you, Wind Waker set the bar.

[The Glamour Nazi]

I'd never jump ship on Nintendo, they may be failing the home console wars, but I feel they succeed WAAAAY better than anyone EVER could with the portable console. The 3DS just needs some time, sure, it'll get bogged down with crap, but it WILL have some good stuff.

Also, I'm never going to Microsoft, they're failing so hard against the PS3 it isn't even funny.

Valve even made the PS3 version of Portal 2 the best (Between XBox and PS3 anyway)

Xbox has some cheap mii rip off thing and that's about it going for it's online. The PS3 does everything XBox live can, but free... So I see no reason why I should settle for the inferior Xbox, and have to pay for it. I can play blu-ray on my PS3, play games with much more superior graphics...

And don't say anything about the stolen information, it coulda happened to the XBox too.

But this is about Nintendo.

I'm not about to jump ship on them, I think they still have potential, it's just...

Well, Sturgeons law is... Definitely in effect here.

[MagmarFire]

I can't help but feel that some of you are forgetting that Nintendo has been, is, and always will be a company. That is, as Tach put so well on the last SandCast, "It's all about the Benjamins." I must say that it's terrible business sense to suggest not pursuing a huge amount of market share just because of a bunch of consumers blinded by their own hubris continuously use the fallacious argument that "we deserve attention" or some other nonsense. The casual market significantly outnumbers the hardcore market, and that's been Nintendo's trump card for the past five-plus years. Of course Nintendo's going to focus on the casual crowd: That's where the money is.

And don't say anything about the stolen information, it coulda happened to the XBox too.

Not that I find your reasons invalid, but somehow, I don't find it that likely that Microsoft would knowingly use an outdated version of Apache with no firewall for two to three months, especially since Microsoft develops a lot of its own software for those purposes anyway.

The last thing Nintendo released that I truly loved was Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. That's it. I haven't thoroughly enjoyed anything from Nintendo since Radiant Dawn, and that's a crying shame.

OBJECTION!

*waits for rebuttal*

[Deku]

REBUTTAL

Gotta pay attention to those key words there Magz.
You can't be an ace attorney if you overlook them.

[Hi no Seijin]

First off, I wish you wouldn't use that Phoenix Wright site to hold a conversation in General Discussion.  If you don't want to put it in a post, then PM it.

As for the topic at hand, I don't think it's fair to renounce Nintendo just because they want to appeal to the casual gamers.  Not everyone is as dedicated to video games as we are, and who are we to say that casual gamers don't deserve games that they can enjoy when they have some time to kill?  And what's even more unfair is that, except for Portal 2 (which isn't even on the Wii), every game mentioned in this thread is a first-party game.  It sounds like you guys are ignoring third-party games on Nintendo systems, and, while this is subjective, some are definitely worth a try.  So what if Nintendo had very little to do with them?  That shouldn't automatically rule them as a bad game.

However, I do agree that Nintendo does need to pick up the ball in some areas.  They shouldn't have waited so long to implement HD and (good) online gaming; it should have been obvious that they would be big and advantageous to have.  They need to repair their poor relationships with third-party developers; Nintendo didn't notify third-party developers of the Wii Motion Plus, so it didn't have a lot of support when it came out.  While a bit more focus on their first-party games would be nice, I think those are the areas Nintendo really need to work on (even if I don't plan on doing a whole lot of online gaming).

[Keaton]

Yes, please save the objection spam for objection threads.

[Pale Dim]

All things aside, Mags has a point with me. Brawl has been one of my favorites and always will be. As will Twilight Princess, and then there was Modern Warfare: Reflex edition. Sure, the graphics were not all that great compared to the other consoles, but the gameplay is what it's all about. The Wind Waker will always be my number one favorite, however, and I will still stick to the Wii until Skyward Sword comes out, unless of course, Nintendo decides to get back on the playground with the big boys and get back to what everyone else is playing. But then there is the virtual console. I am going to continue playing the older games that are coming out from the virtual console as long as they appeal to me, and for the love of all that is holy, I hope that I never tire of them.

[Takun]

I'd never jump ship on Nintendo, they may be failing the home console wars, but I feel they succeed WAAAAY better than anyone EVER could with the portable console. The 3DS just needs some time, sure, it'll get bogged down with crap, but it WILL have some good stuff.

Also, I'm never going to Microsoft, they're failing so hard against the PS3 it isn't even funny.

Valve even made the PS3 version of Portal 2 the best (Between XBox and PS3 anyway)

Xbox has some cheap mii rip off thing and that's about it going for it's online. The PS3 does everything XBox live can, but free... So I see no reason why I should settle for the inferior Xbox, and have to pay for it. I can play blu-ray on my PS3, play games with much more superior graphics...

And don't say anything about the stolen information, it coulda happened to the XBox too.

But this is about Nintendo.

I'm not about to jump ship on them, I think they still have potential, it's just...

Well, Sturgeons law is... Definitely in effect here.

I completely agree with what you said about the portable console, but that's not what I mean. In my personal opinion, they are focusing way too much on the family. Yes, it's where the money's at, but that doesn't mean that they have to stop making games for the older kids. I know that my ranting won't magically change their productions.

Just saiyan.

[MagmarFire]

REBUTTAL
Gotta pay attention to those key words there Magz.
You can't be an ace attorney if you overlook them.

Yes, Master... :<

Yes, please save the objection spam for objection threads.

Ack, my apologies.

Yes, it's where the money's at, but that doesn't mean that they have to stop making games for the older kids.

When has Nintendo ever made a franchise that targets exclusively to older gamers?

[Deku]

When has Nintendo ever made a franchise that targets exclusively to older gamers?

Really Magmar? Really? You're on a ZELDA site, and you just asked that question.

Before you tell me Zelda is for kids, put a kid behind the controller of a Zelda title (and Zelda title) and see how long it keeps their interest. I made a genuine effort to get my little cousin to play, but he claimed the puzzles were too hard. Some of the puzzles give me trouble.

[MagmarFire]

That's because Zelda isn't exclusive to older gamers. It's for everyone, and it has always been marketed as such. All because there's a significant demographic in a particular age group doesn't mean that its primary focus is that very age group.

Also, your cousin is only one person in the age group I'm supposedly saying Zelda's exclusively targeting (again, it has no particular preference of age); one naysayer in a population does not a significant statistic make. Even more, need I remind you that most of us were kids when we started playing Zelda? Something tells me we didn't ultimately lose interest when we were that age, or else we wouldn't be here.