OOT isn't LttPs backstory!

[Evilslayer]

Because she's a spiritual descendant? But I must admit, the reason I don't link to where I found out about the TWW mistranslastion is because it's at Wikipedia. The reason I view this information as reliable, though, is the way it's used.

But let's assume it's false. Even then there's no evidence at all that even suggest the possibility that the Rito have evolved from the Zora. All it say is that Medli, a white-skinned and red-haired Rito who can't fly very well, is a descendant of a Zora. And we know from OoT that crossbreeding isn't something unthinkable in Hyrule.

The only other evidence is the Zora sign. But if that can be used as evidence, then the Bokoblins are descendants of the Kokiri.

As for ALttP...

http://www.zeldalegends.net/

I would post links, but the site in question is down for maintenance. :'(

[Commodore Axilon]

Because she's a spiritual descendant? But I must admit, the reason I don't link to where I found out about the TWW mistranslastion is because it's at Wikipedia. The reason I view this information as reliable, though, is the way it's used.

Apart from the descendant thing though, does it not say they're of the same bloodline in the Japanese version as well?

But let's assume it's false. Even then there's no evidence at all that even suggest the possibility that the Rito have evolved from the Zora. All it say is that Medli, a white-skinned and red-haired Rito who can't fly very well, is a descendant of a Zora. And we know from OoT that crossbreeding isn't something unthinkable in Hyrule.

I've heard you say this before and can't for the life of me figure out where this was stated in OoT. Care to jog my memory?

And lets just say it is possible, where exactly did we see any Zora in TWW? Do you just assume they're there to prove she could've been the offspring of some unholy hybrid union? You sure do like the circular logic, don't you?

The only other evidence is the Zora sign. But if that can be used as evidence, then the Bokoblins are descendants of the Kokiri.

Point, but did you not notice that Medli and Laruto's clothes were virtually identical? Though you'll probably just say she inherited it from her Zora side, or something...

And it's still a mighty coincidence though, doncha think? What with the descendant thing and them both having the same symbols? Mighty big coincidence.

As for ALttP...

http://www.zeldalegends.net/

I would post links, but the site in question is down for maintenance. :'(

How convenient for you. (I'm joking of course. :))

[Penguin dude 2]

So Valoos scales changed fish people to bird people in a thousand years? And where does it say Valoo gave the Rito scales? And why couldn't a zora and Rito mate? Medlis parents probably had it from a long time ago, and passed it on.

[Commodore Axilon]

So Valoos scales changed fish people to bird people in a thousand years?

Either that or Valoo (or maybe one of the Gods) did it purposely. Or maybe something entirely different, I don't know. *shrugs*

And where does it say Valoo gave the Rito scales?

Did you even play TWW?

And why couldn't a zora and Rito mate?

I believe this has already been discussed before, but if you want the short version: They're too genetically dissimilar for such a union to produce offspring.

Medlis parents probably had it from a long time ago, and passed it on.

Uh, that still leaves the problem of the Zora symbol on it. And what of Komali's necklace? It has the symbol as well.

[Penguin dude 2]

And just what makes it impossible for a Rito and Zora to mate? Why would the gods change fish people to bird people? Zoras can breathe all water, if you haven't played OOA or MM. Where does it say Valoos scales make you fly? Maybe the zora person was dying and told the rito to pass the stuff along, or they might have told the Rito it was important. And the necklace looks like... a necklace.

[Evilslayer]

I've heard you say this before and can't for the life of me figure out where this was stated in OoT. Care to jog my memory?

And lets just say it is possible, where exactly did we see any Zora in TWW? Do you just assume they're there to prove she could've been the offspring of some unholy hybrid union? You sure do like the circular logic, don't you?

1. *cough*Ruto*cough*

2. It seems to me that the Zoras are a river/lake people. That would explain their absence in TWW.

3. You claim I don't have any standing evidence that OoT isn't the first time Ganon attacks. I don't see your arguments that the Ritos are evolved Zoras are any better.

Point, but did you not notice that Medli and Laruto's clothes were virtually identical? Though you'll probably just say she inherited it from her Zora side, or something...

Why do Link wear "Kokiri" clothes in every game, while he's only associated with them in one game and there's only two games where he starts without them? Anyway, Medli is not the daughter of the chieftain. That would have been the case if it had proved that the Ritos are evolved Zoras.

How convenient for you.

Yes, it is.

LoZ
AoL
ALttP

If the Western versions are as right as the Japanese versions then why was the Golden Land called the Sacred Realm in OoT? Why doesn't the Book of Mudora have a more important role? Why aren't the Gerudos skilled in the black arts? Why is Ganon only called by the names Dragmire (when human) and Mandrag (when a daemon) in the English version of ALttP on the SNES?

[Commodore Axilon]

1. *cough*Ruto*cough*

Ah, I see. So you assume that because Ruto held an interest in Link, a Hylian, that they could somehow breed? Please tell me how that incredible leap of logic makes any sense.

2. It seems to me that the Zoras are a river/lake people. That would explain their absence in TWW.

In MM they lived in the sea, did they not? And that wasn't really my point at all. You say she could've somehow been the result of a Zora/Ruto relationship despite there being no evidence of the Zora even existing in the Great Sea by this point.

3. You claim I don't have any standing evidence that OoT isn't the first time Ganon attacks. I don't see your arguments that the Ritos are evolved Zoras are any better.

That's only because you're arguing against distorted strawmannish versions of my arguments.

Why do Link wear "Kokiri" clothes in every game, while he's only associated with them in one game and there's only two games where he starts without them?

Completely irrelevant to the point, seeing as how it's hardly impossible for someone to wear a green tunic and hat without some connection to the Kokiri. They're hardly items of clothing you wouldn't expect to see on a common Hylian person. You know, unlike the symbol of an entire race of people.

Anyway, Medli is not the daughter of the chieftain. That would have been the case if it had proved that the Ritos are evolved Zoras.

Oh, I see. So only those related to the chieftain would've been descended from the Zora, right? And this actually makes sense to you?

Yes, it is.

LoZ
AoL
ALttP

If the Western versions are as right as the Japanese versions then why was the Golden Land called the Sacred Realm in OoT? Why doesn't the Book of Mudora have a more important role? Why aren't the Gerudos skilled in the black arts? Why is Ganon only called by the names Dragmire (when human) and Mandrag (when a daemon) in the English version of ALttP on the SNES?

Oh, I get it. You think every little difference between the versions must be some kind of mistranslation of the sacred Japanese games. As opposed to, you know, conscious decisions to change things for non-Japanese releases, for localization or whatever reason.

Oh, and you assume the creators had some great backstory for ALttP, planning out all of OoT. As opposed to them, when creating OoT, looking at the Japanese version's backstory (you know, 'cause they're Japanese, and would obviously have easier access to them) to create OoT. Which sounds more plausible?

Edit: Oh, and the fact that hardly anything else was changed for the GBA version. Seems odd, don't it? Especially in this day and age.

And I read your links. Most of them are just stupid semantical differences. And the guy hardly seems unbiased in his analysis.

[DW]

Where does it say Valoos scales make you fly?

Play the game, they say it themselves.

And just what makes it impossible for a Rito and Zora to mate?

Commodore already explained that they aren't similar enough genetically. Does anybody even read anymore?

[Evilslayer]

Ah, I see. So you assume that because Ruto held an interest in Link, a Hylian, that they could somehow breed? Please tell me how that incredible leap of logic makes any sense.

My point is that it's not taboo.

Completely irrelevant to the point, seeing as how it's hardly impossible for someone to wear a green tunic and hat without some connection to the Kokiri. They're hardly items of clothing you wouldn't expect to see on a common Hylian person. You know, unlike the symbol of an entire race of people.

Have you ever seen any Hylian at all (except the flute-boy, who was clearly based on Link) who wears a hood like that?

Oh, I see. So only those related to the chieftain would've been descended from the Zora, right? And this actually makes sense to you?

Zora princess.

[Commodore Axilon]

My point is that it's not taboo.

Says who? Nobody besides Link and Ruto were even aware of the "engagement." And that still doesn't mean they're capable of breeding.

Have you ever seen any Hylian at all (except the flute-boy, who was clearly based on Link) who wears a hood like that?

The Kokiri based their form in OoT on the Hylians. The Deku Tree says as much in TWW. Do you think they'd come up with entirely new styles of clothing when that would completely go against the point of their current form?

And the fact that certain Links wear the clothes (TMC, FS, FSA, ALttP, TLoZ/AoL) with no connection to the Kokiri whatsoever means it wasn't exactly an uncommon form of clothing.

And I believe Eralk Fang made a post somewhere detailing a couple such cases of similarly dressed Hylians.

Zora princess.

Bwuh? Could you elaborate on this please?

[Fishalicious]

My point is that it's not taboo.

Says who? Nobody besides Link and Ruto were even aware of the "engagement." And that still doesn't mean they're capable of breeding.

I probably shouldn't interrupt, but:

To hell with logic, it's Zelda!

I've been dying to say that. Sorry. ;w;

[Commodore Axilon]

Everything has to follow some kind of internal universal logic. If not, then I don't see the point in discussing anything. Total intellectual anarchy and illogic would make this section of the board somewhat pointless, don't you think?

[Fishalicious]

Everything has to follow some kind of internal universal logic. If not, then I don't see the point in discussing anything. Total intellectual anarchy and illogic would make this section of the board somewhat pointless, don't you think?

Yeah, sorry. XD;; I was just dying to say that.

I mean, the breeding systems of Hyrule could be totally different from ours on Earth. Or something like that. -scuttles away-

[Mysterious F.]

It seems to me that the Zoras are a river/lake people. That would explain their absence in TWW.

Okay, I'm going ot make it perfectly clear for those who haven't played Oracle of Ages that

THE ZORAS CAN LIVE IN SALT WATER!!

In Oracle of Ages, there are many Zoras seen in the Salt Water, proving that they can live in salt water oceans.

The rest of the conversation I could care less about, but you guys can go on.

[Fishalicious]

It seems to me that the Zoras are a river/lake people. That would explain their absence in TWW.

Okay, I'm going ot make it perfectly clear for those who haven't played Oracle of Ages that

THE ZORAS CAN LIVE IN SALT WATER!!

In Oracle of Ages, there are many Zoras seen in the Salt Water, proving that they can live in salt water oceans.

The rest of the conversation I could care less about, but you guys can go on.

I think Commodore already said they can live in saltwater. /: Majora's Mask and all.